Markus wrote: " I have to say that I am a bit surprised that 
I got the impression (from the remarks by Paul and others) that the same 
is not possible in Northern America!?"

I'm no expert, but I think most people involved in FOSS development in America 
would agree that the political climate for FOSS in this nation can be very 
hostile. Microsoft is a very powerful lobby, and ESRI is fairly entrenched in 
the government world. (This may not be the case in some universities and far 
flung government offices, but it is definitely the rule.)

>From my own experience with other developers from OpenJUMP, which are mostly 
>outside of the United States, support of FOSS by European governments is much 
>stronger than here in America. I find this somewhat ironic, since it seems our 
>publicly funded geospatial data is much more accessible than in Europe.

Landon

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

Gilberto and all,

I would like to give some comments on this from the perspective of a GIS 
company with an Open Source business model, I hope you will find them of 
interest.

lat/lon was founded in the year 2000 as a private company (in Germany) 
and had from its beginning an open source business model. We do 
consulting and software development for GIS projects, mainly in the 
context of Spatial Data Infrastructures (SDI). Most of the project 
solutions we develop are based on deegree, a library tailored for 
interoperable SDIs that was originally developed together with Bonn 
University. We compete with other vendors, proprietary and open source 
based alike, on the same grounds (software quality, price, quality of 
support and so on). With each project we do, we develop deegree a step 
further, we have no source of funding that does not come out of projects 
we have to apply for first. I do not want to go into too much detail, 
but we do pretty good, which means we can pay our bills and have 
continuous growth year by year. Also there is a number of other 
companies by now that are developing solutions based on deegree, some of 
these companies are based in neighbouring countries.

Now to the question of government intervention. After reading Gilberto's 
mail I asked myself what is meant by this term? In Germany (where 
lat/lon so far is mainly active) there is no official policy supporting 
open source software. There is a number of guidelines that suggest so, 
but all public bodies are free to do how they like. But there is a 
growing support from people in governmental agencies who decided by 
themselves that they want to use more open source software (Gilberto - 
is this what you mean by indirect support?). Still - as I said - there 
is not any kind of "protectionism" for Free Software. We (and other 
companies doing the same job) have to convience our clients that what we 
offer is good value for money.

So from my point of view it is possible to compete in the GIS market 
using an open source business model without any high-level government 
intervention (although it surely helps). Perhaps Germany is special in 
this regard, but I doubt so - we are getting more and more projects in 
neighbouring countries as well. I  guess that there are other companies 
having similar experiences. I have to say that I am a bit surprised that 
I got the impression (from the remarks by Paul and others) that the same 
is not possible in Northern America!?


Best regards,

Markus


Gilberto Camara schrieb:
> Dear OSGEO Discussion List members:
>
> Paul Ramsey┬┤s remarks are right on target.
>
> First, GIS is a large arena and there are
> different motivations for developers, that
> prevent them from joining a single project such as uDIG.
>
> Second, it is very difficult for a private
> company to develop a world-class FOSS4G product
> and survive based only on consulting
> fees for the commercial sector.
>
> Third, to overcome these limitations there is
> a need for governmental intervention, which may
> be direct, as in the case of Catalonian government┬┤s
> support for gvSIG, or indirect, as in the decision
> of Germany to support open source software.
>
> In Brazil, the National Institute for Space Research (INPE)
> has been supporting local GIS development for 25 years,
> with a lot of success in our national user community.
> Without official support, there would be no local FOOS4G
> development in Brazil.
>
> In 2003, I did a F00S4G market survey and published the
> results as a chapter of a US National Academy of Sciences book:
> "Open Source GIS Software: Myths and Realities"
> <www.dpi.inpe.br/gilberto/papers/camara_open_source_myths.pdf>.
>
> We analysed 70 FOSS4G software projects taken from the
> FreeGIS list, and divided them into three categories:
> networked products (e.g. GRASS), corporate products (e.g., PostGIS)
> and individual products (e.g., CAVOR). From each product,
> we assessed its maturity, level of support and functionality.
>
> Our main conclusions at the time were:
> (a) Only 6% of the  products were developed by networked teams.
>     Thus, the "Linux paradigm" is the exception rather than the rule.
> (b) Corporations (private or public) are the main developers of
>     successful open source products. Corporations account for 41% of
>     all products.
> (e) Individual-led software (a small team of 1-3 people) have
>     less quality and more mortality than the above.
>
> These results show that the impetus behind successful
> open source software was not coming from altruistic individuals
> working in the midnight hour, but from professional programmers.
> I consider that a similar result would be obtained today, should
> the assessment be repeated.
>
> This analysis was further elaborated in a JASIST paper:
> "Information Policies and Open Source Software in Developing Countries"
> <www.dpi.inpe.br/gilberto/papers/camara_fonseca_jasist.pdf>.
>
> For the FOSS4G effort to be fruitful and sustainable,
> we need a very informed and candid assessment of our
> business model. My personal view, based on 25 years of experience,
> is that government intervention is essential for the open source
> model to survive beyond a handful of examples.
>
> Best regards
> Gilberto


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