On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:38 AM, John Callahan <john.calla...@udel.edu> wrote: > I've dealt with this question before but not quite with those specifics. > Actually, I've had these issues from a different angle: people who already > have the ESRI suite because their larger company or government agency > purchased an ESRI enterprise license yet they were looking at open source as > a serious option. > > Hopefully some of this can help... > > > My first thought is that a current ESRI solution would be based on ArcGIS > Server rather than ArcIMS. ArcIMS is basically gone (the 2008 Dev Summit > had ZERO tech sessions on ArcIMS but did have a few migration to ArcGIS > server topics. On the current ESRI support site for ArcIMS life cycle, they > do NOT mention a 9.4 release (current is 9.3.1) although they do for ArcGIS > Desktop and ArcGIS Server. The ArcIMS Data Delivery Extension is not being > sold any more. ArcIMS could do basic clip-n-ship using the Extract Server > but that is only available using the old AXL image services and NOT the > ArcMap services. I've heard trusted rumors (from some ESRI staff at tech > shows and conferences) that ArcGIS Server is where ESRI has been putting all > their energy for the past few years. > ArcGIS Server (AGS) costs quite a bit, up to 4 cores it's about $32K - $40K > per server for the advanced, enterprise level. This Advanced version > includes the 3D, Spatial, Network and Geostatistical extenions. It does not > include the Data Interoperability extension (based on FME Safe and typically > used for data ETL tasks) or the Image Server extension (used for real-time > display of rasters in various bands and combinations, like NDVI) > Extensions are about 4K - 8K each. > > The "Enterprise" licenses mean it includes more features plus ArcSDE for > major RDBMS like Oracle SQL Server. The "Workgroup" version includes a > limited ArcSDE for Workgroups. Enterprise ArcSDE (and therefore Enterprise > ArcGIS Server) is almost *required* for anything data delivery system > greater than a few GB and especially if web based. > > > For more pricing, here are a few I found... > > https://www.gsaadvantage.gov/ (search for "arcgis server") > http://www.eyaktek.com/public/ESRI%20Catalog%2006-20-08.xls > http://www.esri.com/partners/hardware/ibm-advanced-enterprise.pdf > > > For data processing and delivery, like LIDAR processing and anything that > would result from a model, is typically done either 1) via Model Builder, > python scripts in the ArcMap MXD document (typically unstable), or 2) via > ArcObjects coding through the NET or Java APIs (the Interface OO programming > is difficult to learn). Recently, quite a lot is done through ArcGIS > Desktop (ArcMap.) ArcCatalog is used to fully manage AGS. There is a web > application for managing AGS but it can't do everything that ArcCatalog can > do, critical things like map caching. (at least that was the case in 9.2.) > So, yes, you'll need quite a few ArcGIS Desktops. > You'll need ArcEditor (~$5K) versions for writing to ArcSDE. You'll need > ArcInfo level (~$14K) for creating the models to be processed in AGS. This > does not include desktop extensions which run about $2.5K each. Plus, many > advanced feature of AGS (that you see in demos or brochures) are only > accessible via thick AGS clients like ArcGIS DEsktop or ArcGIS Explorer. > Remember the initial primary purpose for AGS was was a desktop GIS server, > like a replacement for the old ArcInfo 7x geoprocessing server. It was to > push centralized GIS processing, editing, mobile checkin/checkout, > geocoding, etc... Traditional web applications (replacement for ArcIMS) > came later. >
This is a most excellent summary John. Consider adding this to a wiki page that can be regularly updated. > > - John > > ************************************************** > John Callahan > Geospatial Application Developer > Delaware Geological Survey, University of Delaware > 227 Academy St, Newark DE 19716-7501 > Tel: (302) 831-3584 Email: john.calla...@udel.edu > http://www.dgs.udel.edu > ************************************************** > > > Bill Thoen wrote: >> >> I need to make a case for developing a map and data server using Open >> Source software such as MapServer, Open Layers, PostgereSQL/PostGIS to >> counter a proposal to go with ESRI's solutions. The client who this would >> be directed to manages a lot of land parcels on which some development is >> planned. As part of the support for this, the object is to build an >> Internet-accessible server that maintains about 800Gb of spatial and >> tabular data, that can provide interactive maps of the properties, data >> downloads of selected areas and layers in shapefile, AutoCAD and other >> formats. It also needs to generate 3D surfaces from dense LiDAR data that's >> available. It also needs a database cataloging system that can be searched >> for data held in the system. Finally, it needs to provide different access >> privileges to various personnel who will be using restricted data sets. >> >> So what I need are some *current* facts about what packages are needed to >> do this completely with ESRI software and what it will cost. Have any of >> you had to address this 800-lb gorilla problem recently and do you have any >> advice or facts I can use? I have to present my case to people who don't >> know much about GIS so I think price is going to be my best argument. So >> far, all I've been able to ascertain is that an Internet license for ArcIMS >> costs about $9 - $10K per dual core machine per year. Is that true? And >> don't you also need ArcSDE for the database connection, and some Arc3D for >> surface generation from LiDAR and copies of ArcGIS all around, and is data >> downloading even available through ArcIMS? What functionality comes >> "out-of-the-box" with ESRI's tools that meets what I've listed above? Is >> there something in the ESRI stable that can maintain differential, >> password-protected user access? How much would still have to be developed? >> And what about training and staff to maintain the system? What's that cost? >> >> If anyone has answers to any of these questions I'd be grateful if you >> could give me some facts. As it stands I can put those questions out for >> consideration, but I'd like to know the answers too. >> >> Thanks, >> - Bill Thoen >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Puneet Kishor http://www.punkish.org/ Carbon Model http://carbonmodel.org/ Charter Member, Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org/ Science Commons Fellow, Geospatial Data http://sciencecommons.org Nelson Institute, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- collaborate, communicate, compete ======================================================================= _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss