Whoahaha! Bill, excellent quote! I will store this and present it on another mailinglist as quote of the day.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bob Basques <[email protected]>wrote: > All, > > This THREAD will never be dead, only the subject will change (I'm afraid.) > :c) > > bobb > > > > > > Bill Thoen wrote: > >> Message subjects, like diapers, need to be changed once in a while. >> Usually for the same reasons, too. >> >> >> >> Traian Stanev wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> However, they (the US govt.) don’t even need a specific legal provision >>> to spy on data that is hosted outside the US, and they’ve been doing that >>> since forever… >>> >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Richard Desrochers >>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:34 PM >>> *To:* [email protected]; OSGeo Discussions >>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparison between >>> MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS >>> >>> >>> One thing to consider using a cloud approach with Amazon is the license >>> agreement concerning your data. >>> Under the Patriot Act in the US all data hosted in the US could be made >>> available to the US government. >>> >>> Not all corporations are ready to live with that. >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> 2009/5/30 Randy George <[email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]>> >>> >>> Cloud options are looking interesting. >>> >>> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ Windows, Linux, Solaris options >>> >>> I imagine ESRI license entanglement with virtual servers could be a >>> problem. But no problem at all with Open Source GIS stacks. No license to >>> get tangled with load balancing and auto scaling where servers come and go >>> as needed. Mostly I've seen small business interest since they tend to take >>> overhead costs more seriously. >>> >>> It might be useful to include a Cloud based server solution addendum, >>> because that would be less optimal for an ESRI vendor and could look good >>> compared to in-house hardware. >>> >>> Unfortunately, medium and large organizations seem to have budget >>> allocations already in place for the big ticket approach. But then in this >>> economy even that could be changing. >>> >>> AWS now includes Load Balancing and Auto Scaling options as well as S3 >>> Backup, multiple offsite elastic block store duplication, edge cache, and >>> elastic IP. >>> >>> http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2009/05/17/monitoring-auto-scaling-elastic-load-balancing/ >>> >>> And for the real bleeding edge http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/ >>> (Not a selling point to small, medium, or large organizations, unless >>> academically oriented :-) >>> >>> rkgeorge >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]>] On Behalf Of Jason Birch >>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:49 PM >>> To: OSGeo Discussions >>> Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers >>> and ESRI ArcIMS >>> >>> I think that it's generally less fear of the unknown or job security than >>> it is the cost of adding complexity to what is often an already >>> over-extended support load. In many cases it just makes sense to spend >>> $1000 for a server OS that doesn't require additional training, is easy to >>> get qualified techs for, and "just works" with the existing systems. It >>> doesn't matter how easy Linux is; it's one more thing to keep track of and >>> one more thing to go wrong. >>> >>> If you want to "win" the open source battle at small organisations that >>> don't already have OS operating system tendencies, focus on the application >>> level where you can make a strong business case on a feature-by-feature >>> level, and with additional arguments about truly open data being more >>> sustainable and less risky. Personally I think that an "open source or >>> bust" attitude is not very pragmatic. "Sell" open source software where it >>> is the best tool for the job, but pick your battles. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alex Mandel >>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:25 PM >>> To: OSGeo Discussions >>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers >>> and ESRI ArcIMS >>> >>> That would be fear of the unknown(non gui) and job security at work. >>> Wouldn't want someone else in the org who knows more about running >>> servers. >>> Maybe you can get them to throw a bone to demo something on a virtual >>> machine hosted elsewhere(Amazon) just to show how easy it is. >>> >>> Welcome to the land of small to medium government agencies, etc. >>> The best thing here is showing examples from equivalent groups, of which >>> there are plenty online now. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Desrochers >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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