Jachym, Karel, I hope this mail was general enough so it can be seen as a reply to your mails as well.
Cheers, Volker On 06/18/2012 03:59 PM, Volker Mische wrote: > Hi Bart, > > good points. You are right, spreading open source geospatial is a good > thing. > > Your mail really changed my view. Perhaps I'm blind on one I eye, > because I just enjoyed the previous FOSS4G's so much, that I try to do > everything to keep it. > > Hence I should perhaps have written it under the tagline: "if we don't > want to lose the gathering of the developer tribes, I think we should ...". > > But perhaps things must change and we can get the same nice warm fuzzy > feelings the FOSS4Gs had for developers in some other way. Like moving > only the yearly aspects, like the AGM, Sol Katz award, Board F2F meeting > and the code sprint (perhaps even extended?) to one of the semi-regional > events. > > Cheers, > Volker > > > On 06/18/2012 03:25 PM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: >> Hey Volker, >> >> personally I don't think this "denial" approach will work. FOSS4G-NA has >> already happened, and it will continue to happen, at the same scale or >> maybe even larger (preparation time was very short). >> >> IMHO any event that promotes free and open source for geospatial is a >> good thing, even if this is at the expense of the meeting of the tribes. >> That should not be our main focus, even though for me that is the main >> reason to attend. >> >> Best regards, >> Bart >> >> -- >> Bart van den Eijnden >> OSGIS - http://osgis.nl >> >> On Jun 18, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Volker Mische wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> thanks Jachym for bringing up the smei-regional events. My preference >>> lies towards having one global event a year and also *real* regional >>> events, but no semi-regional events. Before I come to more details about >>> what I think a real regional event is, I'd like to state that I think >>> FOSS4G-CEE is real regional event, FOSS4G-NA is a semi-regional. >>> >>> What I understand under real regional events (they are not sorted by any >>> priority, I just give them numbers for later reference): >>> 1. In the language of the chapter if that's possible. FOSSGIS >>> (Germany), GFOSS (Italy), the conf (currently only a day) from >>> OSGeo.nl <http://OSGeo.nl> >>> (Netherlads) are examples. FOSS4G-CEE is an exception, there's no common >>> language in the area, hence it's in English. >>> 2. Attracting people from the region. At least at the FOSSGIS the >>> audience it quite different from the global FOSS4G. The FOSSGIS attracts >>> more governmental people and end users. There are even talks about >>> people using the software for their work (I find them boring, as I'm a >>> dev, but I think it is interesting for a lot of people). >>> 3. You can hardly tell your boss to send you to the regional event, >>> except you are from this region. >>> >>> How's that different from a semi-regional event. Point (2) is the most >>> important one for me here. If there is an NA event (and a potential EU >>> one), it will attract more people, but at what price? I think you can't >>> tell your boss that you need to go to a global and to a NA (resp. EU) >>> event + a regional one. So you would need to chose between the global >>> and the semi-regional one, which would make both of them a bit smaller. >>> >>> My solution for this problem is: Don't do semi-regional events. The >>> FOSS4G-NA just spans a way too big region. Many, if not even the >>> majority of the Open Source geospatial development happens in the US and >>> Canada. You will attract people from abroad as so many of the major >>> players will be there. Just do real regional events instead. Do e.g. a >>> California one. The local chapter is quite huge (I gave a talk there a >>> year ago, and there were about 100 RSVP). Do this on several places in >>> NA (e.g. a Midwest one). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Volker >>> >>> On 06/18/2012 01:54 PM, Jachym Cepicky wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> not sure, if this proposal is the best for the scope of FOSS4G. >>>> >>>> As I already wrote in one of previous mails, we have to try to find the >>>> balance between global, semi-regional (approx. continent level) and >>>> regional (GFOSS, FOSSGIS, ...) events. >>>> >>>> Another working (not sure, if better) model could be: >>>> >>>> * Global event as it is - every year >>>> * Semi-Regional events (NA, E, Asia, ...) - every year too, of course >>>> not on the continent, where the global event is going be organized >>>> * Regional events (GFOSS, FOSSGIS, Geoinformatics, ...) every year but >>>> in e.g. spring >>>> >>>> Having global event every second year means implies, that OSGeo meeting >>>> will take place only every second year? And what about people, who would >>>> like to meet other people, but for some reason (usually financial) are >>>> not able to travel to other part of the world? >>>> >>>> Any opinion to this? >>>> >>>> Jachym >>>> >>>> Dne 16.6.2012 13:42, Maria Brovelli napsal(a): >>>>> +1. I will be happy to help Greek friends in organizing the meeting. >>>>> Anyway >>>>> I'm wondering if sooner or later is possible to organize a Mediterranean >>>>> conference.... >>>>> Maria >>>>> >>>>> 2012/6/15 Dimitris Kotzinos <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I saw with great pleasure the call for organizing the 1st Latin America >>>>>> FOSS4G conference. >>>>>> Congrats to the friends there and let me add my offer to help in any >>>>>> possible way to those who preceded me. >>>>>> >>>>>> The purpose of my e-mail though is a bit different. Taking into account >>>>>> the fact the this year we had the North America regional >>>>>> conference, the >>>>>> central European regional conference and now the Latin America Regional >>>>>> Conference I feel that it is due time to move to a mixed scheme of an >>>>>> international and regional conferences. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus I propose that we have the odd years (starting from 2013) ONLY the >>>>>> international event (our very successful FOSS4G conference) and the >>>>>> even >>>>>> years (starting from 2014) ONLY the regional conferences. >>>>>> Being in a world in crisis where funding for travel becomes more >>>>>> difficult >>>>>> and where people cannot participate in too many conferences in a year I >>>>>> feel that this is an acceptable compromise. >>>>>> So I call upon the board to decide on this proposal and, of course, >>>>>> all of >>>>>> you to argue in favor :) or against! >>>>>> >>>>>> One final note for the European participation on this list: I >>>>>> suggest that >>>>>> we start organizing a regional European level FOSS4G (if there is >>>>>> agreement >>>>>> also integrating in it the Central-Eastern Europe event) starting from >>>>>> 2014. I volunteer Greece to host the first such event (OK, given that >>>>>> things in Greece will not turn out too bad :)). >>>>>> If there is an initial agreement we can organize things a bit more. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the consideration of both proposals, >>>>>> >>>>>> Dimitris Kotzinos >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/**mailman/listinfo/discuss<http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >>>>>> <http://lists.osgeo.org/**mailman/listinfo/discuss<http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Conference_dev mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
