Peter, Yep, sometimes users don't want to bite off the whole piece.
Personally, I feel the future is a mix of open data formats (XML, CSV, JSON etc) and open data services... Regards, Jeff Jeff Harrison The Carbon Project Twitter: @JeffHarrison Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Baumann, Peter" <p.baum...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > absolutely so! If you want to access data items as a whole piece, and the > item fits through the pipe conveniently then I am fully on board. However, > sometimes we want to get pieces that fit the pipe (and convenient for us to > chew), and we want something to be done - my favorite example on remote > sensing imagery is the vegetation index. Or even a histogram: my fav here is > CSV, or JSON, or... but not to download a NetCDF file. So, as so often: it > depends. > > cheers, > Peter > > -- > Dr. Peter Baumann- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen > http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann > mail: p.baumann@jacobs-university.detel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: > +49-421-200-493178 > - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)http://www.rasdaman.com, > mail: baum...@rasdaman.com > tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882 > "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis > dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec > preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD 1083) > > > > > From: Newcomb, Doug [doug_newc...@fws.gov] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 11:26 PM > To: Baumann, Peter > Cc: Stefan Keller; Carl Reed; osgeo-discuss; TC Discuss; > standa...@lists.osgeo.org > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Standards] Live DVD and OGC standards > > Dr. Baumann, > > Lighting my torch...;-) > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Baumann, Peter > <p.baum...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: >> >> Finally, my personal 2 cents: I feel the future is with services, not >> formats will decide in future. Do I care, in my browser, whether I see PNG >> or JPEG or...GIF? http functionality, Ajax and the like is what I care >> about. Flames on... ;-) > I like using Services when that are open standard formats, but services are > ephemeral. A local source in an open standard format is better for archival > / reproduction of work products. > > Doug > > > >> cheers, >> Peter >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Peter Baumann- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen >> http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann >> mail: p.baumann@jacobs-university.detel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: >> +49-421-200-493178 >> - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB >> 26793)http://www.rasdaman.com, >> mail: baum...@rasdaman.com >> tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882 >> "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis >> ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli >> destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD >> 1083) >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on >> behalf of Stefan Keller [sfkel...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:59 PM >> To: Carl Reed >> Cc: osgeo-discuss; TC Discuss; standa...@lists.osgeo.org >> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Standards] Live DVD and OGC standards >> >> Hi Carl >> >> 2013/7/8 Carl Reed <cr...@opengeospatial.org>: >> > The idea that the OGC process would significantly change something like >> > GeoRSS is untrue. >> >> I would like to slightly disagree here and point to the ongoing >> GeoPackage standardization. >> Referring to the initial question, GeoPackage with SQLite/Spatialite >> "format" would have a chance to become "the Shapefile of the future". >> The OGC just recently had the chance to adopt this existing encoding - >> but unfortunately voted against in favor of an own spec. >> To be fair to OGC (which I respect) I'd have to say that such >> political decisions happen to most standardization bodies. >> >> Yours, Stefan >> >> >> 2013/7/8 Carl Reed <cr...@opengeospatial.org>: >> > Allan - >> > >> > I respectfully disagree with your comment regarding the authors not >> > wanting to bring GeoRSS into the OGC. I know that Raj, myself and other >> > original authors would support bringing GeoRSS into the OGC as is. >> > >> > The idea that the OGC process would significantly change something like >> > GeoRSS is untrue. A good recent example is Open GeoSMS. That candidate >> > standard was developed externally and submitted into the OGC. The >> > normative content was not changed at all other than making one tag >> > consistent with some IETF RFCs (HELD, LoST, etc). We also separated the >> > normative text from the informative examples (primer) which made the >> > standard very short and easier to understand. Additional "eyes" on a >> > document does not necessarily mean any normative change but does mean >> > improvement to the document (grammar, wording, clarity, etc). >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Carl >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Arnulf Christl" <arnulf.chri...@metaspatial.net> >> > To: standa...@lists.osgeo.org, "TC Discuss" >> > <tc-disc...@lists.opengeospatial.org> >> > Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 9:11:27 AM >> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] [OSGeo-Discuss] Live DVD and OGC standards >> > >> > On 08.07.2013 14:14, Rushforth, Peter wrote: >> >> Hi Allan, >> >> >> >>> The counter-example is actually GeoTIFF, which was proposed >> >>> as an OGC format a long, long time ago, by the original >> >>> authors of the spec. At the time, it was rejected >> >>> specifically because the TC felt that OGC should not be >> >>> standardizing file specs, but rather should be standardizing >> >>> interfaces. >> >> >> >> Ironic, because the strength of the Web is based on 'file' specs. The >> >> geo community needs to think less about interfaces and more about >> >> how to communicate state through "files". >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Peter >> > >> > Peter, >> > so true, I couldn't agree more. Why is it that there is a perception >> > that the OGC should not work on data formats but only interfaces? Is >> > this still the case? With GML and KML there are two strong existing data >> > standards. GeoPackage is not exactly "just" a media format but ships >> > with code - an ideal package so to say, and by any means not just an >> > interface standard. >> > >> > GeoRSS and GeoJSON would not be hard to go forward with but for some >> > reason it never happened. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Arnulf >> > >> > -- >> > Arnulf Christl (Executive Director) >> > Open Source Geospatial Software, Data and Services >> > http://www.metaspatial.net >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Standards mailing list >> > standa...@lists.osgeo.org >> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Standards mailing list >> > standa...@lists.osgeo.org >> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > -- > Doug Newcomb > USFWS > Raleigh, NC > 919-856-4520 ext. 14 doug_newc...@fws.gov > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The opinions I express are my own and are not representative of the official > policy of the U.S.Fish and Wildlife Service or Dept. of the Interior. 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