Looking forward to see things happen. Good luck
Jachym 2014-09-14 17:07 GMT+02:00 Andrew Ross <[email protected]>: > Dear Jachym, Everyone > > Just a few quite thoughts. > > I encourage anyone who has concerns, or fears anything resembling a > take-over to please speak up on the list, off-list with any other person > from OSGeo & me, or even just me in private. We, people involved with both > OSGeo & LocationTech, have been talking for roughly 2 years. I don't think > everyone is fully aware of the fact that at each step collaboration was > possible, we approached the OSGeo board & other leaders in the community > discretely to talk about it and once there was a rough plan, > followed-through publicly such as bidding on FOSS4G 2014, organizing FOSS4G > NA 2015. I can't think of anything that was done improperly. We're very open > to feedback in public or private about this. > > The team organizing & assembling the program for FOSS4G NA 2015 is a team of > 11 people volunteering from the community. These are people well known to > OSGeo and many have participated in past FOSS4G teams. They are freed up > from the burden of the logistics of organizing the conference by Anne > Jacko's team at the Eclipse Foundation who organizes conferences for a > living. I believe that there will be more "control" in such a circumstance. > For what it's worth, when discussing with the OSGeo board yesterday we > noticed obvious signs of this like much more prominent mention of OSGeo & > OSGeo's logo on the FOSS4G NA web site. Also, FOSS4G NA 2015 speakers will > get free passes. We hope this is seen as a nice positive step forward. > > Kind regards, > > Andrew > > > On 14/09/14 07:25, Jachym Cepicky wrote: >> >> Guys, >> >> as long as I understand it: "some members of the community" are scared >> of LocationTech "taking over" whatever (FOSS4G conference, OSGeo >> projects and community). This can be based on real action, taken on >> either site, unofficial statement, misunderstandings or personal >> dislikes. >> >> Yesterday, we had short (about 2hours) face 2 face discussion with >> Andrew here in PDX (me, Vasile, Jeff and Gerald) and I personally >> believe, that it is not in interest of LocationTech to "crush" OSGeo >> or FOSS4G conference. It was clearly stated, that LocationTech would >> like to contribute to FOSS4G and make it to better conference, >> regarding (again) "some remarks" of "some members of the community" >> (including myself), that the way, FOSS4G is organised, does not >> necessary meet some of the community aspects, we would like to stress. >> I would like to note, that the discussion was very open on both sides, >> still calm and productive. >> >> "To contribute" of course means "to work" and LocationTech is anything >> but volunteer driven organisation. It has been stated, that FOSS4G-NA >> next year will be organised primarily by LocationTech, but OSGeo willl >> be represented clearly and (so to say) loudly. >> >> This could be one of the firsts steps towards closer cooperation >> between LocationTech and OSGeo. >> >> Everybody is aware, that on some points, LocationTech is not that >> good, as OSGeo currently is. OSGeo is certainly failing in other >> things. Looking for ways, how to strengthen common strengths and >> weaken our weaknesses should have "non-zero-sum" effect. >> >> We, as OSGeo shall later evaluate, whether the price for helping us >> LocationTech with conferences (regardless if on regional or global >> level), was too hight or quite ok. In case of disagreement, we shall >> try to find solution for the next time. >> >> In the worst case, we find out, that cooperation is not possible and >> everybody can go it's way than. >> >> I hope, you get my point(s) and that I did not misinterpreted >> anything, what was said. >> >> Thank you >> >> >> Jachym >> >> >> >> >> 2014-09-14 10:07 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Barend, >>> >>> I'm talking about the "burn-out" signals that have been given recently by >>> the current LOC (mostly because they have to re-invent the wheel every year >>> and do a lot more than can be expected from them). >>> >>> So IMHO organising it this way is not sustainable in the long run, past >>> organisers will not come back for a second round. It simply has gotten too >>> big to organise it this way. >>> >>> There have been many related threads on the conference committee about >>> this recently. >>> >>> Sorry if my brief summary does not reflect all of those discussions. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Bart >>> >>> On 14 Sep 2014, at 09:10, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What actually do you perceive to be the "problem with FOSS4G >>>> organising"? >>>> >>>> I see it being a rather succesful, pretty large conference for the last >>>> two years, bringing in a substantial amount of income to OSGEO. One >>>> might >>>> perceive it as being "not the same as it used to be", but that is >>>> because >>>> size DOES matter, and once such a thing grows over a certain size (I >>>> guess >>>> around 700+ participants or so), you just cant have the "informal cosy >>>> event" that used to be... >>>> >>>> Yours, >>>> Barend >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Barend Köbben >>>> Senior Lecturer - ITC-University of Twente >>>> PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (Netherlands) >>>> @barendkobben >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13-09-2014 23:51, "Bart van den Eijnden" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay then I have 2 follow-up questions for you and/or Jeff: >>>>> >>>>> 1) do you acknowledge we have a problem with FOSS4G organising? >>>>> >>>>> 2) what other solutions to this problem do you see and why are they >>>>> better than co-organising with Eclipse/LocationTech? >>>>> >>>>> Bart >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 sep. 2014, at 03:25, Venkatesh Raghavan >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2014/09/14 0:11, Jeff McKenna wrote: >>>>>>> Responding to your comment, we now work closely with several >>>>>>> foundations (ISPRS, ICA, GLTN, and soon GSDI, are examples that I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> met with recently personally). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There does seem to be something different about the way LocationTech >>>>>>> is handing this, seems somewhat 'rushed' or 'forced', and I am not >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> why this pressure. Maybe we can slow things down a bit, take the >>>>>>> hand >>>>>>> off the throttle, sign an MoU, maybe have booths at each other's >>>>>>> events...similar to how OSGeo works already with these other >>>>>>> foundations. >>>>>> >>>>>> I fully agree with views expressed by Jeff. >>>>>> I look forward growing collaborations with >>>>>> OSGeo and other international organizations >>>>>> in a systematic and orderly manner. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Venka >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can talk about this shortly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -jeff >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2014-09-13 7:51 AM, Andrew Ross wrote: >>>>>>>> Dear Jeff, Everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll drop in to help as well. I may be a little late as I promised >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> children a video chat. I apologize as I'd like to be there and help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For what it's worth, regarding the tag line agenda item, OSGeo is >>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>> from the only open source community. Unaffiliated projects in Github >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> claim that for example. It might be better to aim for something a >>>>>>>> bit >>>>>>>> more distinct. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See you soon, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On September 12, 2014 7:28:08 PM PDT, Jeff McKenna >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For the record Arnulf forgot that the Board meeting starts at 8am >>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>> same location, discussing of course the exact topics that he >>>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>>> (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-09-13). But >>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> let me hinder your energy, definitely tackle the areas that need >>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>> (reviving the marketting committee, picking your favorite project >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> incubation and give some nudges...lots to do!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, see you early at the sprint. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PS. the Board meeting, and any Board meeting, is open to anyone >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> everyone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -jeff >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2014-09-12 9:25 AM, Seven wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Folks, >>>>>>>> if anybody indicates interest in hacking OSGeo at the code >>>>>>>> sprint in >>>>>>>> Portland tomorrow please answer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In past years we have brain stormed around Marketing, >>>>>>>> Sponsorship, >>>>>>>> Education, Data (specifically how OSGeo can support the Open >>>>>>>> Data >>>>>>>> model) and so on. It is a aunique opportunity to evolve OSGeo >>>>>>>> as an >>>>>>>> organization and I would be happy to contribute to anything >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> want to achieve for within and around OSGeo as an >>>>>>>> organization. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This can also include how (or rather if at all) OSGeo manages >>>>>>>> FOSS4G. >>>>>>>> In my experience the day directly after the event is the best >>>>>>>> time to >>>>>>>> actually do this, impressions are still fresh and lots of >>>>>>>> ideas have >>>>>>>> popped up. If we do not invest some time into realizing them >>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>> not going to get anywhere. So if you think OSGeo needs a push >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>> certain direction, join. There will be representatives from >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> board >>>>>>>> of directors, the president (I guess you are there Jeff, >>>>>>>> right?) and >>>>>>>> other folks in key roles. It is probably the only time in the >>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>> when you will get so many bright OSGeo folks in one place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is a link to drop your ideas. Its a Wiki, just go hack >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>> like: >>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Hack_2014 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Arnulf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS - http://pywps.wald.intevation.org _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
