Brilliantly summarised Marc
______
Steven

> On 22 Dec 2015, at 23:16, Marc Vloemans <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Dear Board et al
> 
> Let me give an idea why some kind of CRM would be appropriate;
> - finances are managed in a financial software environment like SAP
> - code is managed in a SVN env like Trac
> - collaboration is done in eg Google Docs
> - relations are managed in a CRM
> ....however none are managed in a list !
> 
> It is probably a matter of dominant perspective or mental model ; if the 
> majority of a community is financially/technically/commercially in background 
> it tends to approach every problem with its own unique tool set. Unless a 
> hammer is the only tool available....
> 
> Please let's treat the OSGeo relationship management as an important  enough 
> theme. Unless outreach and promotion are not on the agenda any more. Doing 
> document management in a SVN environment a little while ago was already bizar 
> enough ;-)
> 
> Vriendelijke groet,
> Marc Vloemans
> 
> 
>> Op 23 dec. 2015 om 02:55 heeft Sanghee Shin <[email protected]> het volgende 
>> geschreven:
>> 
>> Hi Steven, 
>> 
>> I don’t think that might be another loads of managing different lists. The 
>> core lists are only two, previous attendees and sponsors lists, 11 lists are 
>> there at MailChimp. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> 
>> 신상희
>> ---
>> Shin, Sanghee
>> Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>> http://www.gaia3d.com 
>> 
>>> 2015. 12. 23., 오전 12:45, Steven Feldman <[email protected]> 작성:
>>> 
>>> Sanghee
>>> 
>>> I noticed that this conversation is taking place solely on Conference list 
>>> so I have extended to Discussions to gain a wider range of opinion hopefully
>>> 
>>> I think it may be more work for FOSS4G LOCs and others to manage loads of 
>>> different spreadsheet lists rather than maintaining one master database.
>>> ______
>>> Steven
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Dec 2015, at 14:55, Sanghee Shin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Steven and all, 
>>>> 
>>>> I know MailChimp is not for the CRM. However I believe the core part of 
>>>> the customer relation management doesn’t lie on the CRM SW but on 
>>>> interaction with customers, for us it means previous FOSS4G attendees and 
>>>> sponsors. 
>>>> 
>>>> As a volunteer organisation I don’t think we have enough time and 
>>>> resources to manage another CRM SW - whether that is open source or 
>>>> proprietary.  
>>>> 
>>>> So, how about just focusing on giving thanks and asking participation to 
>>>> OSGeo’s activities? It will not be so frequent. I believe introducing CRM 
>>>> SW could be another overkill. 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers, 
>>>> 
>>>> 신상희 
>>>> ---
>>>> Shin, Sanghee
>>>> Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>>>> http://www.gaia3d.com 
>>>> 
>>>>> 2015. 12. 22., 오후 6:58, Steven Feldman <[email protected]> 작성:
>>>>> 
>>>>> MailChimp is not a CRM, it’s mailing software that works of lists that 
>>>>> you upload. The challenge is maintaining the lists with any degree of 
>>>>> granularity
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with Darrell that a proper CRM would be a great asset allowing us 
>>>>> to develop a better understanding of conference delegates, list members 
>>>>> etc and deliver more tailored marketing communications to them. There are 
>>>>> open source solutions that we could deploy and hosted solutions that we 
>>>>> could purchase. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will stick my hand up to help (emphasis on help) with implementation if 
>>>>> we decide to go ahead with a CRM
>>>>> ______
>>>>> Steven
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22 Dec 2015, at 01:42, Sanghee Shin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2015. 12. 22., 오전 9:35, Darrell Fuhriman <[email protected]> 작성:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’ve always maintained that OSGeo should maintain a CMS with sponsor 
>>>>>>> contacts, conference attendees, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We already have MailChimp account for managing previous global FOSS4G 
>>>>>> attendees and sponsors. It’s huge asset. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One it’s all in place, you just have to have a policy for deciding who 
>>>>>>> gets access to what, which shouldn’t be that hard.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We may add new OSGeo sponsors there to MailChimp for managing all the 
>>>>>> thing in one place. And then we may set the access rule, maybe by Board?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But I was never able to get any traction on that.  *sigh*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To reduce any other additional jobs, I suggest to make the best of 
>>>>>> MailChimp as a platform for CRM(Customer Relation Management). I believe 
>>>>>> it’s about CRM not about spamming. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> d.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2015, at 01:20, Sanghee Shin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If sharing scope can be defined, that might also be nice. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For example, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1. email lists collected through global FOSS4Gs, that might be only 
>>>>>>>> shared to next global LOC.
>>>>>>>> 2. email lists collected through regional FOSS4Gs, that might be only 
>>>>>>>> shared to next regional LOC.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> By the way, Conference Committee, when will you add me to the 
>>>>>>>> conference committee members[1]? I have enough scars on my body to be 
>>>>>>>> added to your committee!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [1]https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee#Current_Members
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 신상희
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Shin, Sanghee
>>>>>>>> Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>>>>>>>> http://www.gaia3d.com 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2015. 12. 20., 오전 6:10, Seven (aka Arnulf) <[email protected]> 작성:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Done:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Participant_Involvement
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to add good stuff like this to the Handbook any time.
>>>>>>>>> Anybody. It's a Wiki...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 18.12.2015 09:31, Ian Edwards wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> All discussed here
>>>>>>>>>> <http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Privacy-Policy-was-FOSS4GNA-Someone-is-watching-you-o-tp5241750p5241873.html>,
>>>>>>>>>> it would be good to get your thoughts on updating the FOSS4G 
>>>>>>>>>> Cookbook to
>>>>>>>>>> include a brief statement on email privacy.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Something along the lines of:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "by submitting your email address you consent to us sharing your 
>>>>>>>>>> details
>>>>>>>>>> for the purpose of keeping you informed of future similar events.  
>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>> can unsubscribe from these communications at anytime using the
>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe links provided."
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>> Ian Edwards
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 신상희
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Shin, Sanghee
>>>>>> Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>>>>>> http://www.gaia3d.com 
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