Patrick, I think you are conflating Hackathons and code sprints - a hackathon is a random collection of cute assignments while Code Sprints are where a team (or teams) come together to achieve a goal that needs doing and is easier to solve when a group of developers are in the same room. For example the recent GeoServer sprint that upgraded the version of wicket used in GeoServer which is not a sexy project that could be done incrementally by a single volunteer.
Ian On 5 March 2016 at 23:21, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <[email protected]> wrote: > Dirk, > > In my opinion, a lot of energy is spent on these 'cute' assignments, > equivalent to a big homework project. They do not represent 'real world' > working scenarios and rarely produce anything of lasting value aside from > the exercise, and the exercise itself doesn’t even qualify as an > environment for expanding skill sets. > > It is simply a sprint to an artificial finish line that disappears shortly > after being crossed. It does not provide results that benefit the future, > nor typically even expand the participants' skill set in any appreciable > way. We've got millions of hours invested in these isolated one-off events > and millions of dollars, without much to show for it. > > The clock is ticking on this planet's ability to find a way collaborative > way forward, while using our competitive instincts to achieve that. > Encouraging a myriad of crazy races that end up with little that the future > can use, seems a huge waste of opportunity in applying these aspiring > minds. They could have been contributing to something that is bigger than > them, building real-world project-based teamwork skills, and facilitating > results that the world not only needs, but can actually use. > > The Europa Challenge is trying to be just one example of that. If OSGeo > were serious about supporting that, it would certainly have a very positive > effect. > > Wherever we choose to put our energy, it would be nice to see it > encouraging real building-blocks and not just momentary muscle-flexing. > > -Patrick > (650) 604-5656 (office) > (650) 269-2788 (cell) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Discuss [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dirk > Frigne > Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 5:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints > > Patrick, > > You point to an interesting topic. I think there are several types of > projects, and geomajas seems to be also in the category you describe. > > It could be a good starting point for a discussion how we can best support > OSGeo projects in general, and what should be the rules for the allocation. > Code sprints are good for a project to have a lot of things done in a > short time for one project, but learning to learn from different projects > how they are working together and share ideas and fun could also be a good > goal to help open source collaboration. > > But if you want to allocate a budget for awards such as the Europa > Challenge, this is a separate budget than the code sprint budget, so maybe > this suit your goal better. > > Dirk > > On 02-03-16 18:53, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote: > > Maxi, Dirk and All, > > > > > > > > For WorldWind’s part, we are more the marathon type or at least 10k, > > otherwise known as ‘in it for the long haul’ versus sprints or > hackathons. > > > > > > > > And we would dearly appreciate any OSGeo budget that might be made > > available, please! > > > > > > > > This would go exclusively to student winners of the Europa Challenge. > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > -Patrick > > > > > > > > *From:*Discuss [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of > > *dirk frigne > > > > *Sent:*Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:23 AM > > > > *To:*[email protected] > > > > *Cc:*[email protected] > > > > *Subject:*Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints > > > > > > > > Maxi, > > > > > > > > I think we can solve that concern by divide the budget in 2 parts: > > > > Assumption that we know already the really strategic code sprints for > 2016. > > > > (like the FOSS4G codes sprint in Bonn) > > > > > > > > From past years the board can make a good assumption what the budget > > for the strategic code sprints should be, and reserve that for these > > activities for 2016. The second part can be allocated to new and > > ad-hoc initiatives following a RFP. > > > > (and in 2017 we can have several periods with RFP's so we can > > instantiate a continue process). > > > > > > > > Dirk > > > > > > > > On 22-02-16 09:42, Massimiliano Cannata wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > the fact that made me rise this discussion is: > > > > - we are facing more and more sprint code support requests (really > > really great) > > > > - we do have limited budget (we may not be able to support all the > > requests) > > > > > > > > So, how to prevent, for example, that a request in September for a > > very strategic sprint code is not funded because all the money were > > already spent? > > > > Shall we have a call for sprint code with defined criteria of > > selection so that all the projects are aware of this possibility and > knows the rules? > > > > > > > > This was my concerns... > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Maxi > > > > > > > > 2016-02-22 8:12 GMT+01:00 Mr. Puneet Kishor <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>: > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai > > > > > > > > Correct. 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