I've been trying to keep up with the emails. A few more thoughts:
* Social Media is a large part of this. So I'm going to dive in
somewhere. The kids these days like their "LOLs" and their whatever
else they are doing. I always ask when I go talk to a school what
the social media platform is of choice. Facebook and Twitter are
dropping. Google Plus was never on their radar. Instagram seems to
be a "thing" currently. I know these are closed platforms - and
nothing beats a web page - but it's outreach. Linkedin May help us
bring in more teachers.
* I would suggest curated datasets free of Projection nightmares.
Projections need to be explained - but keep it simple. All the data
needs to line up - if not that's a part of the Teachers "lesson
plans" - "You found some data but it doesn't match - email this list
or talk to people in this "social media area"" and see if they can
help. I wouldn't be worried about topology, or attribution spelling
mistakes, or anything complicated - it just lines up.
* Web needs to be a part of this. I saw further down web was
mentioned. Maybe a lesson is "load this data on a web map". So we
find a place to do this - and mapstory may be it. Maybe a class
project goes there? Something to think about.
* Proprietary software will always be in the mix somewhere. ESRI is a
good platform. I love Fulcrum for mobile. At some point kids/adults
will use everything - hopefully we convey the "happiness" of open
source and make them want to contribute back.
I'm "sort of helping" with outreach with FOSS4G Boston. Although I would
love to have something before August of 2017 - Maybe we outreach to
educators. They don't have to be GIS Savvy or even GIS people. Maybe
Geography. Maybe Computer Science. Maybe a teacher "who was trying to
find a pub and saw all of us standing around".
This will be a good thing. My Canoe is calling me and the weather is
pleasant! I must be off for a bit.
Randy
On 10/29/2016 08:44 AM, Charlie Schweik wrote:
Hi all,
We have a grant proposal under review right now that, if funded, would
allow us to have regular meetings over the next four years at FOSS4G
Europe with both an education and research focus. It's always a long
shot that this will come in, but this is a proposal that we have
submitted and revised several times now. We probably won't hear until
January or February. But regardless, we should start to think about
what we can do on this front at FOSS4G 2017 (Boston) and at the next
FOSS4G Europe conference.
But this discussion is starting to develop a framework for moving
forward on this front. I'm going to save them and cross our fingers
that this funding comes in. But even if it doesn't, I think we should
consider developing panels at FOSS4G that builds toward these ideas.
Cheers,
Charlie
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shor...@gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
<changing email title to a solution focus>
Randal,
I love your OSGeo educational vision. Its practical, it has a
clear vision, it sounds achievable, it is something which could
start small and then scale, and I think it has the potential to
inspire people to contribute to it. If it attracts a few motivated
and driven contributors, I believe it has all the hallmarks of a
successful Open Source project [1]. I want in!
I can also help out with setting up processes and reviewing
documentation.
I think the first step to work out is our vision, and then clearly
define our first few releases, ensuring they are achievable.
Randal, you've made a great start on that. Maybe something like:
* Simple for teachers to use.
* Focus on quality over quantity
* Has clear teaching goals.
* Makes use of cool, inspiring use cases that kids will connect
with and find relevant.
* Maybe a really engaging use case would be to allow kids to add
the school's basketball hoop to Open Street Map, and then know
that their contribution will be around forever
* Re content, are there national or international learning guides
we can trace back to? If proprietary vendors are linking back to
these, and we do the same, it will provide opportunities for
teachers to mix-and-match classes, similar to switching
applications which all access datasets using the same WMS standard.
One of the key requirements we are going to need is user feedback.
Having teachers report back on the success of their classes,
describing what they'd like to achieve so that we can help
implement it for them. Randal, as you appear to have already built
that connection, I suggest you'd be the best person to start
defining what the first classes should look like?
What should be our first target audience? What age group? Who is
prepared to drive that?
[1]
http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html
<http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html>
On 29/10/2016 1:54 AM, Randal Hale wrote:
The way I look at it - and this is from watching Teachers at the
school: Imagine getting a disk full of software. Have a colleague
come over and repeatedly poke you in the head while you try to
figure out what is on the disk and where the instructions are. In
a few more minutes have someone come over and start singing while
you are getting poked in the head. Maybe someone pours water in
your shoe in another 2 minutes.
It needs to be that simple. That's what the ESRI folk are doing
"Lessons, 'free', and here is the Documentation".
Simple: software, x directories with x lessons.
A giant Red button with "Don't Panic" in nice friendly letters.
On 10/28/2016 10:39 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
So according to Randal, to reach out to schools we need a
scaled-down and lighter OSGeo-Live build (probably without the
server side applications), with different documentation
included. Maybe based on Edubuntu?
I volunteer to make a custom OSGeo-Live iso for kids, but we
will need lots of feedback and volunteers to shape up a new
documentation.
Last year I had the chance to teach several hours of
OpenStreetMap to school kids in a municipality initiative and I
can totally agree that things are different with kids. They did
not seem to have much difficulty with the OSGeo-Live UI, but we
ended up playing with iD and less with desktop applications,
like josm.
just my 2c
Angelos
On 10/28/2016 04:55 PM, Randal Hale wrote:
If I can just chime in (I told my cat I wasn't).
The kicker in this is ESRI is deeply entrenched everywhere.
They've entire groups of people just focused on "giving to
schools". I was at the helm of rolling out a full ESRI rollout
to a school in 2012. We had a 50 seat lab setup. I ended up
moving them over to FOSS4G 2 years ago - and I need to go back
and update their setup (they don't know how). The school is
Title 1 (which means the school is very poor). The computers
are better than what they normally get - BUT - they will be
using them longer than what they need to. They will be unable
to run the next version of ESRI Software. The computers can
still run FOSS4G software.
The teachers here in the US (and I have no doubt this is the
case everywhere) are stretched thin. That's what makes ESRI so
nice. They show up and go "here is a curriculum (of sorts) and
here is 'free' software". It's a short term win. They have
people targeted to do just that.
So what would Randy do (and I've thought about this more than I
care to mention) to introduce FOSS4G into the schools:
A bootable disk with FOSS4G software (I am partial to QGIS -
other things exist) and not everything like the OSGEO Disk. A
few select pieces of software with a purpose:
* 10 lessons of 1 hour apiece to work through that are student
oriented (maybe pick an age range - 12-16)
o Start globally and work down to locally. Maybe we have
different
local datasets.
* An explanation for the teachers. They don't understand like
we do -
they need us there for hand holding and encouragement. They can
manage kids - We need to help manage the lessons. I'm not a
teacher.
I can teach adults - but not kids - it's a whole different
game.
* A spot where teachers can get the lessons (NOT GITHUB) and
the disk
(maybe we combine all things into a bootable USB stick).
* Help - a place where they can get help (NOT GITHUB). My town
has 30+
schools. If more than 1 does this I can't be everywhere.
ESRI put
out a call for Geomentors. We put out a call.
* We have COMMUNITY - I don't believe ESRI currently does.
They have
an advertising budget. 20 years ago they had community. We have
momentum now. Community is greater than an Advertising budget.
* Advertise it. Ask for help from the teachers.
* Update it.
I know I'm asking for a lot - it's time intensive - but I think
it's 100% doable. I go to speak at 2 colleges on GIS Day on
nothing but FOSS4G.
We've got all the pieces to make this work except time. I'll
carve out some time if this gets going.
I wished the cat had stopped me. Now I'm in it.
On 29/10/2016 12:56 AM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote:
Thank you Jeff for your great answer to my ¿call? It's a pity the Geo4all
Teacher Training and School Education Thematic Group
(http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_TeacherTraining_SchoolEducation
<http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_TeacherTraining_SchoolEducation>) isn't as
active as I think it should be as I find it's the group that can best answer to this "huge
opportunity" as you call it. Sure Bridget is doing great work and we need to publicise it
much more. We here are also doing hard work in order to disseminate the use of FOSS4G in
schools (post -in Spanish- about last
news:https://gvsigbatovi.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/jornada-taller-en-ceibal-y-creacion-de-equipo-de-seguimiento-gvsig-batovi/
<https://gvsigbatovi.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/jornada-taller-en-ceibal-y-creacion-de-equipo-de-seguimiento-gvsig-batovi/>)
but we surely need to work harder. It is not an easy task but it deserves doing the effort.
It`s scaring to know that "youth -only- learn what ESRI means". We all know this
provision of free ArcGIS online organization accounts to all K-12 schools in the US (note this:
ALL K-12 SCHOOLS) is not at all philanthropic. Cameron, I agree with your idea and I can help
with it.
Regards,
Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY
(598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330
http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/
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Asunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing sad news from the web...
Maybe what we are missing are the existing OSGeo-led education labs
inside highschools - I was cooking now and thought of the great work
being done by Bridget Fleming with the South African highschool
geography teachers. How can we publish and share this great work, and
spread that out to other highschools around the world - can OSGeo's
Geo4All committee make that its focus now?
Anyway, 'food' for thought!
Thank you again Sergio for bringing this to everyone's attention.
Night all,
-jeff
On 2016-10-27 6:04 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>Hi Sergio,
>
>Thank you for sharing this news.
>
>I'd like to take this opportunity to take a moment for us, our
>foundation, to look in the mirror. Like this article points out
>strongly (yet indirectly), we still have much work to do to reach the
>youth of today and tomorrow. And I don't mean the United States or any
>one country, as I see this in my own backyard in Canada and everywhere I
>travel for OSGeo: a focus on universities and industry (where the money
>and funding is), and a pure lack of focus on those fresh energetic and
>unbiased minds of youth in highschool and middleschool. I see it each
>year in the Geo4All day (or PostGIS day, or GISDay, whatever we all call
>it) where events are held for university students and industry
>professionals, all over the world - the problem is those attendees of
>the events already know the thrill of the Open community, of geospatial,
>of our passion. We miss the focus on today's youth.
>
>I always tried to speak to the back row of the theatre, to sing to those
>at the very back too shy to come forward yet so eager to be part of the
>spotlight, part of the community, and I put much focus on those rarely
>heard of communities and countries around the world, giving them the
>spotlight and the microphone to shine and grow and be seen and heard on
>the world stage - well, the time is now for us to give that spotlight to
>the youth as well.
>
>Now that Geo4All is the official education committee for the OSGeo
>foundation, we can use that committee to tackle this huge hole, or
>rather this huge opportunity. Maybe the Geo4All committee feels that
>they are indeed handling this already, in the highschools etc, and this
>message can help Geo4All promote and recruit more champions for their
>existing work. Great! I'd like to hear of our equivalent for this
>ConnectED initiative by Esri, focusing on the youth (and not directly on
>universities), of how youth learn what "OSGeo" is, what "OSGeo" means -
>as this article strongly points out, youth learn what "Esri" means,
>indeed Esri continues to do great work and focus on that huge future
>market of youth. But what are we doing as the OSGeo foundation? Talking
>here about that can help build this momentum.
>
>Just how many highschools and middle schools are involved in our Geo4All
>initiative by OSGeo's education committee? Can someone come up with a
>total from the list of current labs?
>https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Edu_current_initiatives
<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Edu_current_initiatives> What does that
>total tell us? How can we improve on that total?
>
>I actually was on the stage and handed an award to about 4 highschool
>students in person at the FOSS4G-Europe event in Como last year, on
>behalf of OSGeo; I saw their passion and spoke with them right after the
>session, they were thrilled to be included in this community.
>This was an award led by the Geo4All committee, so, this is an example
>of their great work with the youth of today - but I bet few knew of that
>award, well we can hopefully change that here through Sergio's wakeup
>message.
>
>I hope this message brings all those passionate leaders out there in
>OSGeo's Geo4All committee here, with their great examples of their work,
>and we can use this news shared by Sergio to help change this myth that
>OSGeo isn't a part of the youth activities today, get more press on the
>great work by the Geo4All committee of OSGeo (as mentioned by Cameron),
>and gather more champions to keep spreading our passion to the youth of
>tomorrow - as I've said many times, we're currently hiring champions
>
>-jeff
On 10/28/2016 09:16 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
As if someone is reading this ha, a tweet just came across my
desk:
https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048
<https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048>
So, we need to also get into that huge K-12 market, plant the
open seed early :) A challenge indeed. Think on this over the
weekend, -jeff On 2016-10-27 12:36 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote:
Sadly, only ESRI seems to exist for some in the USA...Imagine
the consequences of this:
http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth
<http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth>
Sergio Acosta y Lara Departamento de Geomática Dirección
Nacional de Topografía Ministerio de Transporte y Obras
Públicas URUGUAY (598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330
http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/
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