Hi all, An observation from my end:
this apparently has become an argument to frame a person - who has done more for our community than I can list - as if he is insulting and offending that same community. Unsuccessfully, I am glad. From the almost deadly silence I deduct no collective cry out "I am shocked, shocked, shocked....". What a clever and Machiavellian turn this discussion has taken....truly a textbook example for master classes in discussion techniques. Let me phrase it pleasantly: there is no moral high ground on this topic only organisational self-destruction. In my role as marketing committee chair, charter member and human(oid) I feel increasingly sad to witness again and again and again, a process where volunteers (working for nearly a year on our organisation's well received new brand and busy wrapping up the last website work) are publicly sucked into ....... Well, something which I hardly recognise as the OSGeo that I entered more than a decade ago. For once I like to be proven wrong.... Kind regards, Marc Vloemans > Op 20 sep. 2017 om 19:29 heeft Maria Antonia Brovelli > <[email protected]> het volgende geschreven: > > Jody, I see very difficult the existence of a vast majority of GIS industry > that has honestly not heard about open source yet. Anyway I refuse the idea > of "similar proprietary software" because our projects are much more than > pieces of code. Behind our software there are communities and limiting our > projects to pieces of code is offensive and insulting for the volunteers > behind them. We are more and diverse. This is the reason why there are not > "similar proprietary software". > Thanks for removing the links. > Best > Maria > > > > > Inviato dal mio dispositivo Samsung > > > -------- Messaggio originale -------- > Da: Jody Garnett <[email protected]> > Data: 20/09/17 18:53 (GMT+01:00) > A: Maria Antonia Brovelli <[email protected]> > Cc: Margherita Di Leo <[email protected]>, Helmut Kudrnovsky > <[email protected]>, OSGeo Discussions <[email protected]>, OSGeo-Marketing > <[email protected]> > Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website > > Thanks Maria, > > I reject the idea that we are advertising proprietary software, so each time > it is phrased that way of course everyone well say "no". > > I want to help our software reach visitors that feel locked into proprietary > software, please recognize this goal and how "migrate from" can help. > > -- > Jody Garnett > >> On 20 September 2017 at 09:49, Maria Antonia Brovelli >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> Dear Jody >> Personally I agree with Helmut and I don't see any necessity of putting >> "similar proprietary software" on our web pages. I don't think proprietary >> software need to be advertized. We are a Foundation about Open Software and >> I want to see the open source projects on the website that we have been >> paying as OSGeo. >> I ask please to remove the "similar proprietary software" and the related >> links. >> Many thanks >> Best, >> Maria >> >> >> >> >> >> Inviato dal mio dispositivo Samsung >> >> >> -------- Messaggio originale -------- >> Da: Jody Garnett <[email protected]> >> Data: 20/09/17 14:45 (GMT+01:00) >> A: Margherita Di Leo <[email protected]>, Helmut Kudrnovsky <[email protected]> >> Cc: OSGeo Discussions <[email protected]>, OSGeo-Marketing >> <[email protected]> >> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo >> website >> >> Thanks for the discussion on the bug report. Please keep in mind that this >> website is written by us, but it is not intended for us - it is intended for >> the vast majority of the GIS industry that has honestly not heard about open >> source yet. >> >> These sections are optional, if one of our open source projects has a >> particular target market in mind filling in this information would really >> help! Indeed when I go to a normal GIS conference this is the top question - >> since I have not had a chance to use the proprietary software it is not one >> I can easily answer. >> >> In the above bug report I would like to change the heading from "Similar >> Proprietary Products" to "Migrate From", but perhaps that is too >> confrontational? I would also like to avoid advertising proprietary >> software, linking to the associated wikipedia entry if appropriate. >> >> I am not interested in reciprocity, I am interested in OSGeo projects taking >> competition to the GIS industry which as been missing. >> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:09 AM Margherita Di Leo <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Helmut Kudrnovsky <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Dear OSGeo community >>>> >>>> I want to bring you a discussion on a github ticket about linking to >>>> "similar proprietary products" [1] to your attention. >>>> >>>> My comment there: >>>> >>>> "I support and concur with Venka that the item "Similar Proprietary >>>> Products" should be removed. There isn't only one proprietary GIS software >>>> out there, there are several others. IMHO such comparisons may be part of >>>> e.g. a reviewed scientific paper/elaboration, where our OSGeo projects - >>>> if they want to - may link to. I see no added value for OSGeo to serve >>>> such links. As already elsewhere mentioned by me, reciprocity is the key >>>> if such items are listed, but I can't see this happen. " >>> >>> I agree. I don't understand it either. >>>> >>>> I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects >>>> improving on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is >>>> the key rather than linking to proprietary software. One of such >>>> opportunities may be the upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to >>>> produce nice screenshots for documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. >>>> based on tiny little tasks for students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in >>>> the young who will be our OSGeo's future. >>> >>> Thanks for mentioning that, Helli. May I add that suitable tasks for >>> students may include design of web pages and / or promotional material, see >>> for example >>> https://codein.withgoogle.com/archive/2015/organization/4777925899452416/task/5259692246827008/ >>> I take the liberty of cc'ing the marketing committee, because it would be >>> nice to see some members joining the code-in mentors pool. Let us know that >>> you want to join, writing an email to [email protected] and I'll send >>> you the subscription form. >>> Hoping that I didn't go much off topic respect to the original meaning of >>> this email >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Margherita Di Leo >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Marketing mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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