On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Peter Baumann
<p.baum...@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
> +1 for every word in Jonathan's excellently worded message. Science at its 
> heart
> is open (!) to any and all provable insights (and even conjectures expressed,
> and all of that may be disproven of course), which works only if not driven by
> dogmas wiping out unwanted results upfront as "wrong conclusions probably
> because bias of the researchers".
>
> -Peter
>

I'm starting to wonder if you at least tried to open my links. You got
a biased research result and hold onto that not wanting to see that
evidence points in another direction. That's not what open science is.

>
>
> On 11.08.2018 23:34, Jonathan Moules wrote:
>>> Let me tell you something: having legal rights doesn't mean you have
>>> equal opportunities. Those studies are falling into the wrong
>>> conclusions probably because bias of the researchers.
>>
>> Apologies, but that's a general dismissal of a peer-reviewed scientific 
>> paper,
>> seemingly because you don't like the result. That's not how science works. If
>> there is a problem with the paper (and most papers have a few quirks) I would
>> suggest the correct way to refute it is to start by pointing out the
>> methodological and/or statistical flaws, not dismissing it out of hand. If
>> done thoroughly enough you can probably get a subsequent paper published via
>> peer-review with some other experts in the field that refutes it which is
>> usually good for career prospects.
>> Like you I would have expected more women to choose STEM given the
>> opportunity, but apparently they do the opposite and so I've updated my
>> world-view accordingly to fit the facts. As the saying goes: You're welcome 
>> to
>> your own opinions, but facts are facts.
>>
>> Anyway, we're heading off-topic. I was originally simply pointing out that 
>> Dar
>> doesn't have gender diversity in the keynotes either (a point I maintain), 
>> and
>> I question the unfounded assertion that 50% females in the
>> industry/speakers/etc is something that is feasible given the research on
>> female career preferences. I'll leave it at that.
>> Cheers,
>> Jonathan
>>
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