No, it doesn't. It just means that 2 directors have argued that their extra responsibilities are equivalent to expecting members to do something at no cost that we are apparently willing to pay outside parties for. It has no bearing for or against the validity of the point.
We have 40-50 people, and apparently none of them considering "cleaning the toilets" and such to be a part of what they need to do to keep the place running. So, one side or the either seems to have a misunderstanding of what members are _required_ to do. What happens if the maid we hire decides they like the place so much that they want to become a member? We're out the money we pay them minus member dues, and right back to "Hired a member to do the work.". Or do we say "Nope, can't be the cleaner anymore." and come back to square one? Or do we refuse their membership bid and possibly piss them off that way? On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 03:35:27PM -0500, Ron wrote: > If multiple people are independently making the same argument, then > obviously it has some sort of weight. > > What do you mean by "thrown into the member responsiblities"? It's part > of keeping the space running, and keeping the space running is all our > responsibilities. I really wish members would do it - I know mak did it > when we were new, and I did it a couple times in the past - but in > general it's not getting done. > > Ron > > On 2012-09-26 15:25, David Curry wrote: > > That's the second time that argument has been made, and it still > > doesn't seem to work. You and Jay are directors who specifically > > signed on to extra responsibilities to keep the space running. > > Cleaning, last I checked, was not thrown in to the member > > responsibilities. Yes, people have stepped up to take care of small > > parts, but to this point nobody has accepted all of the extra > > responsibilities you expect for cleaning as a base part of membership. > > That's why you're bloody looking to contract out the work! And you > > guys are refusing to hire a member to do this because... They're not > > willing to spend the time to do something they never agreed to do for > > free in the first place when you all have extra responsibilities > > you're handling for no extra compensation? > > -- > > David Michael Curry (Dave) > > <d...@ysarro.com> > > > > Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: > > > > I spend at least an hour a week on skullspace stuff, and I get paid > > $0/month. Jay and Justin spend even more time on sksp stuff. In the > > interest of fairness, I think we either need member(s) who'll do it as > > volunteers, or to hire somebody external. > > > > Ron > > > > On 2012-09-25 12:57, Dave Curry wrote: > > > I'll throw my hat in the ring for this... $40/month, I'll come by at > > > least once a week for an hour per visit, and am open to ohmygodlastminute > > > cleaning trips outside the 1/week in return for a small meal. I already > > > take out the garbage and do general tidying... > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:40:21PM -0500, Ron wrote: > > > > We'll also add a bunch of gross stuff and hidden cameras and make it > > > > into a tv series. > > > > > > > > Still a better love story than Twilight. > > > > > > > > (is it bad I had to google 'lame vampire movie' to remember the name of > > > > 'Twilight'?) > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > On 2012-09-25 12:30, Michael Loney wrote: > > > > > We should have a huge party and invite them both to clean half the > > > > > space! > > > > > Best time wins! Also big party! > > > > > > > > > > G Mike > > > > > On Sep 25, 2012 12:29 PM, "Ron" <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If we're getting a good deal as a favour from a friend, I'd rather > > > > > > not > > > > > > jerk them around. I'm happy to wait for Lynn. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-09-25 12:26, Justin Lacko wrote: > > > > > > > You should get in touch with Les's source anyways so we don't end > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > waiting another week to see this resolved - good to have two > > > > > > > quotes on > > > > > > > hand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 September 2012 12:13, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Les also has a cleaner he uses that charges $20/hr for the same > > > > > > > > sort of > > > > > > > > services. If Lynn's falls through, I'll get in touch with Les's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-09-25 11:36, Justin Lacko wrote: > > > > > > > >> If she could come biweekly and do the following: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> - Clean all toilets and sinks, and clean sink in kitchen > > > > > > > >> - Disinfect table surfaces in kitchen and handles on > > > > > > > >> fridge/freezer > > > > > > > >> - Replace hand towels with fresh hand towels (we will provide) > > > > > > > >> and put > > > > > > > >> dirty hand towels in a hamper for us to clean > > > > > > > >> - Wipe down microwave inside > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> That would be great! We can provide cleaning equipment. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On 25 September 2012 11:33, Lynn Kendrick > > > > > > > >> <soccer_trek...@yahoo.co.uk > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > She charges $15/hour and comes to my house for 2 hours every > > > > > > > >> > other > > > > > > week > > > > > > > >> > and it would be best if there was a list of what you wanted > > > > > > > >> > done, so > > > > > > > >> > something like: > > > > > > > >> > Bathroom sinks and toilets > > > > > > > >> > Kitchen sinks, microwave, toaster oven, counters > > > > > > > >> > All floors swept/vaccuumed, do you want them washed? > > > > > > > >> > I am not sure how long it would take for this space but I am > > > > > > > >> > sure > > > > > > she > > > > > > > >> > would want to come out and see it first anyways and we would > > > > > > > >> > have > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > >> > her a keyfob of course. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > She brings her own vaccuum but for other stuff she just > > > > > > > >> > leaves me a > > > > > > note > > > > > > > >> > when I need to buy cleaning supplies. > > > > > > > >> > Anything else? We also may want to add a little extra since > > > > > > > >> > she > > > > > > would > > > > > > > >> > have to pay for parking. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > As well, the spaced may not need weekly service, she does my > > > > > > > >> > house > > > > > > every > > > > > > > >> > other week and it is pretty good. Especially since there has > > > > > > > >> > been > > > > > > > >> > basically no cleaning service so far. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > And yes I can vouch for her, she has been coming to my house > > > > > > > >> > for a > > > > > > few > > > > > > > >> > months now and I have never had a problem. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > --- On *Tue, 25/9/12, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net>* wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Maid service > > > > > > > >> > To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca > > > > > > > >> > Date: Tuesday, 25 September, 2012, 11:21 > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > We can supply supplies no problem. We just need the > > > > > > > >> > bathrooms / > > > > > > kitchen > > > > > > > >> > cleaned, and perhaps the shared area (outside of > > > > > > SkullSpace/AssentWorks > > > > > > > >> > proper). > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > How much would she charge? And, I assume you can vouch for > > > > > > > >> > her > > > > > > > >> > reliability/accountability? :) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Ron > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > On 2012-09-25 17:17, Lynn Kendrick wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > A big factor with cleaning services is if they supply the > > > > > > > >> > > cleaning > > > > > > > >> > supplies. I have a cleaning lady for my house that is only > > > > > > > >> > $15/hour > > > > > > > >> > because I supply the cleaning products. Just something to > > > > > > consider. I can > > > > > > > >> > see if my cleaning lady is willing to do it if you like, she > > > > > > > >> > does a > > > > > > pretty > > > > > > > >> > decent job. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > --- On Tue, 25/9/12, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net< > > > > > > http://mc/compose?to=r...@skullsecurity.net>> > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > From: Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net< > > > > > > http://mc/compose?to=r...@skullsecurity.net> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Subject: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Maid service > > > > > > > >> > > To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca< > > > > > > http://mc/compose?to=discuss@lists.skullspace.ca> > > > > > > > >> > > Date: Tuesday, 25 September, 2012, 11:11 > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > I emailed a few places. So far, one response: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > 2 hour service - biweekly - $59.00/visit. Will take care of > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > >> > > they can in that timeframe. That's their minimum. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Waiting to hear back on others. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Ron > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >_____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > >> > > Help: > > > > > > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > >> > > Archive: > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >_____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > >> > > Help: > > > > > > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > >> > > Archive: > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >_____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > >> > Help: > > > > > > > >> > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > >> > Archive: > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >_____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > >> > Help: > > > > > > > >> > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > >> > Archive: > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>_____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > >> Help: > > > > > > > >> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > >> Archive: > > > > > > > >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > > Help: > > > > > > > > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > > Archive: > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > >_____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > > Archive: > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > >_____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________ > > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________ > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > -- > > > David Michael Curry (Dave) > > > <d...@ysarro.com> > > >_____________________________________________ > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > _____________________________________________ > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ -- David Michael Curry (Dave) <d...@ysarro.com> _______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
