-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I still maintain that they aren't behaving "unfairly" - they're correcting a foolish mistake that they made.
We were getting a crazy good deal, now we're being asked to pay slightly more (still well below market price). Ron On 2012-10-25 07:54, Roswyne wrote: > My experience says that people who behave unfairly do so consistently, and > escalate until you stop giving in to them. > > We all know how this has continuously gotten worse as its progressed. Why > give them another chance to shock us? > > Moving time and costs will depend on what we take with us, based on the > size of the new place and what people consider important. For example, if > we don't have room for six couches, we won't take them all. And Assentworks > might be happy to inheirit the ones we leave. > > Similarly, people can take back any "lent" items and personal projects. > Tables can be folded down, and benches and shelves can be disassembled. > > We shouldn't over plan the new location. Its easy to make plans - one > person can do that alone. But it takes a team to build everything. > > We'll do better to embrace a flexible, adaptive floor layout, and let it > grow based on need/usage. > On Oct 25, 2012 12:30 AM, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I've dealt with the landlords for a while now. While I think it's > > pretty unfair for them to throw back electrical at us from the day we > > started, we don't even have a chance to negotiate this anymore since > > AssentWorks accepted this and already wrote a cheque to cover the > > amount. I think that given a chance to talk to them, they might've > > moved on this number a little bit - but I'm not sure. It's all > > speculation from this point. > > > > My personal opinion is that once this issue is sorted, the landlord > > will not have anything else to say because we will be covering our > > costs and covering their costs. This is really all they're looking for > > - to not lose money on us. > > > > There's never been any mention of trying to "wring us for the max > > money" - in fact, when you look at what they've demanded in the past, > > it's been quite reasonable. They asked us to cover our gas. Then they > > asked us to cover our electrical. They recognised there were public > > utilities on our panel and offered a $1000 annual credit for this. > > They even paid to have heating installed in the washrooms and > > classroom - when really, only the washroom was necessary so the pipes > > wouldn't freeze. > > > > The power wasn't a miscommunication but a stupid mistake on their > > part. From the start it was their assertion that we use the floor as > > "office" space; when they saw the AC units, equipment, etc. they > > couldn't see past this and thought we were running a heavy > > manufacturing plant up on the third floor. It took a lot of convincing > > by me and Mike Legary in discussion with the landlords and still they > > can't see past the big machines and AC units. > > > > I'd say Hanlon's Razor holds true in this situation. They were stupid > > and didn't charge us for electrical and lost money; hence they asked > > for a new lease; hence they essentially sent the past bills back to us > > to recoup their costs due to their poor decisions. > > > > I honestly think that once this new lease is settled and done with, we > > won't hear another peep out of them. They will be happy, AssentWorks > > will be happy, and we should be happy, too! > > > > ~Justin > > > > On 25 October 2012 00:18, Michael Kozakewich > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think the biggest problem at this point is trust in the landlords. Even > > > though it’ll be better in almost every other way to stay here, at least > > some > > > members want us to leave to get a fresh start, and not have to deal with > > the > > > building owners anymore. > > > > > > We’re going to need some deep thoughts and perspectives from those who’ve > > > interacted with the owners and been in the lease negotiations from way > > back. > > > It sounds like the whole power thing was a miscommunication, but could > > there > > > have been some other motive? Have they shown signs of strategically > > trying > > > to wring as much money out of us as possible? > > > > > > For me, Hanlon’s Razor seems to hold. People (maybe us, Remco, or the > > > owners) weren’t clear on something, did something foolish, or didn’t > > check > > > on things, and the electrical became a surprise. We’ve always been losing > > > them money, and as soon as that stops things should be fine. > > > > > > So what does everyone else’s experience tell about that? > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlCJSOYACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/T+0QCgpUh43kDBYiN5mlGyPhqdsSqG 2rwAoIDVC1rN3H55NjpURop2aBE4NhPL =7wg9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
