Who said we waived our rights? On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote:
> Apparently we have *waived* our right to our existing lease to avoid > forcing the landlord to invoke the six month clause. > > AssentWorks will (but has not yet) signed a new lease, agreeing to the new > terms (retroactively paying electrical bills and paying all new utility > bills). > > We could then sublease from AW for six months under the terms of the > original lease, or for the remainder of their new lease at appropriate > terms. They would presumably want to pass on their new, higher, costs. > > > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Siu, >> >> I appreciate your concern and volunteering to cover some preliminary >> legal costs. I think I need to stress again that we're beyond the >> details of the legality of the lease and we're now focused on whether >> we stay and reduce our footprint, or we find a new space. Your money >> would be much better spent on helping out with upcoming electrical >> costs - no matter where we end up there will be these costs. >> >> ~Justin >> >> On 25 October 2012 09:34, Courtney Lofchick <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > If they want of request AW pay back electrical in a future contract >> then it >> > is not illegal. Especially if they agree to it. We don't have to pay it >> > unless we stay. The landlord is not imposing that on us, AW is. >> > Claiming we don't have a lease is different. We have one, but it's not >> > relevant. They can give us 6 months if they want to. >> > You don't need to get a lawyer to determine if the landlord is >> > untrustworthy. A quick look at court records will show their track >> record. >> > That being said if you want to pay for a lawyer please do so but >> perhaps it >> > would be better put to helping us come to an agreement with AW if we >> stay. >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> You can't change a contract once it's signed - the whole point of >> signing >> >> it is to confirm and finalize what the terms are. It's illegal for >> them to >> >> insist on anything that wasn't covered in the contract. >> >> >> >> As far as I can tell, they're sticking to their story that we never >> had a >> >> contract, which is interesting to say the least. They certainly >> collected >> >> rent in accordance with it. >> >> >> >> Is there a particular reason that the board doesn't want a lawyer to >> see >> >> the contracts? I understand it's an extra expense, but I've already >> offered >> >> to cover that. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >>> Hash: SHA1 >> >>> >> >>> They're not illegal. There's nothing stopping them from saying "your >> new >> >>> lease requires you to pay us $6000 immediately". The only sketchy >> thing >> >>> is signing a second lease while the first is in effect, but that isn't >> >>> harming us in any way so I'm not worried. >> >>> >> >>> Ron >> >>> >> >>> On 2012-10-25 09:12, Roswyne wrote: >> >>> > To follow up on this - I think it makes a significant difference >> >>> > whether or >> >>> > not their actions have been illegal. If they've been legal, then we >> >>> > can >> >>> > continue to deal with them... but if they've violated their >> contracts >> >>> > with >> >>> > us, then we can't trust them at all. >> >>> > >> >>> > If I can get copies of our two leases, I'll take them to a lawyer >> for >> >>> > review *at my own expense*. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > > My experience says that people who behave unfairly do so >> >>> > > consistently, and >> >>> > > escalate until you stop giving in to them. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We all know how this has continuously gotten worse as its >> progressed. >> >>> > > Why >> >>> > > give them another chance to shock us? >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Moving time and costs will depend on what we take with us, based >> on >> >>> > > the >> >>> > > size of the new place and what people consider important. For >> >>> > > example, if >> >>> > > we don't have room for six couches, we won't take them all. And >> >>> > > Assentworks >> >>> > > might be happy to inheirit the ones we leave. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Similarly, people can take back any "lent" items and personal >> >>> > > projects. >> >>> > > Tables can be folded down, and benches and shelves can be >> >>> > > disassembled. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We shouldn't over plan the new location. Its easy to make plans - >> one >> >>> > > person can do that alone. But it takes a team to build everything. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We'll do better to embrace a flexible, adaptive floor layout, and >> let >> >>> > > it >> >>> > > grow based on need/usage. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> >>> > Archive: >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> >>> >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >> >>> >> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAlCJSWwACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/QnHQCfa1Wt0Q/u8EY8Iv0ea2AhlF+s >> >>> EssAnA3pOsfSM2dxn3cSbjKY6M00aVIk >> >>> =/z5o >> >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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