I can't stop you form doing what you wish. But in the absolute best case scenario you are out the legal fees.
G Mike On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > Then will you let me take copies of our leases to a lawyer, to see where > we legally stand? > > If you confirm today, I can do this before our Tuesday meeting and > vote. I will, of course, pay all costs. > > I'm getting all sorts of mixed messages here, including from multiple > board members. I don't know where we currently stand, so I'm guessing no > one else does either. :( > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm sorry, and I understand that you're just relaying what Ron said, but >> it isn't correct. >> >> - We have not waved the old lease >> - We did not 'agree' to let them sign the document. Our stance is that we >> can't stop them from signing the document with the landlord, but we have >> not yet recognized it as an official lease. >> - AW has not agreed to letting us stay on 6 months, it's one of many >> ideas being discussed. >> - Anything not coming directly from Courtney or Myself regarding >> discussions with AW is just rumor (or in this case, a game of telephone). >> >> Ron's explanation is a possible outcome, but it has not happened yet. >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I called it "waiving", as I believe that is the correct legal term. >>> >>> >>> Here is the actual chat log. (For those who don't know, iago-x86 is >>> Ron.) >>> >>> >>> [10:11] <+iago-x86> They effectively said they'll invoke the 6 month >>> clause, but gave us the option to agree to disregard the new lease (legal >>> if we both consent) and sign a new one immediately >>> [10:12] <+iago-x86> AssentWorks wanted to sign right away - it would be >>> difficult for them to deal with the uncertainty, so we agreed to let them >>> [10:12] <+iago-x86> Then AW gave us the option to stay on our current >>> terms for 6 months (with them) or sign a new one and pay our share >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Courtney Lofchick < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Who said we waived our rights? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Apparently we have *waived* our right to our existing lease to avoid >>>>> forcing the landlord to invoke the six month clause. >>>>> >>>>> AssentWorks will (but has not yet) signed a new lease, agreeing to the >>>>> new terms (retroactively paying electrical bills and paying all new >>>>> utility >>>>> bills). >>>>> >>>>> We could then sublease from AW for six months under the terms of the >>>>> original lease, or for the remainder of their new lease at appropriate >>>>> terms. They would presumably want to pass on their new, higher, costs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Justin Lacko <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Siu, >>>>>> >>>>>> I appreciate your concern and volunteering to cover some preliminary >>>>>> legal costs. I think I need to stress again that we're beyond the >>>>>> details of the legality of the lease and we're now focused on whether >>>>>> we stay and reduce our footprint, or we find a new space. Your money >>>>>> would be much better spent on helping out with upcoming electrical >>>>>> costs - no matter where we end up there will be these costs. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25 October 2012 09:34, Courtney Lofchick <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > If they want of request AW pay back electrical in a future contract >>>>>> then it >>>>>> > is not illegal. Especially if they agree to it. We don't have to >>>>>> pay it >>>>>> > unless we stay. The landlord is not imposing that on us, AW is. >>>>>> > Claiming we don't have a lease is different. We have one, but it's >>>>>> not >>>>>> > relevant. They can give us 6 months if they want to. >>>>>> > You don't need to get a lawyer to determine if the landlord is >>>>>> > untrustworthy. A quick look at court records will show their track >>>>>> record. >>>>>> > That being said if you want to pay for a lawyer please do so but >>>>>> perhaps it >>>>>> > would be better put to helping us come to an agreement with AW if >>>>>> we stay. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> You can't change a contract once it's signed - the whole point of >>>>>> signing >>>>>> >> it is to confirm and finalize what the terms are. It's illegal >>>>>> for them to >>>>>> >> insist on anything that wasn't covered in the contract. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> As far as I can tell, they're sticking to their story that we >>>>>> never had a >>>>>> >> contract, which is interesting to say the least. They certainly >>>>>> collected >>>>>> >> rent in accordance with it. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Is there a particular reason that the board doesn't want a lawyer >>>>>> to see >>>>>> >> the contracts? I understand it's an extra expense, but I've >>>>>> already offered >>>>>> >> to cover that. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ron <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> >>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> They're not illegal. There's nothing stopping them from saying >>>>>> "your new >>>>>> >>> lease requires you to pay us $6000 immediately". The only sketchy >>>>>> thing >>>>>> >>> is signing a second lease while the first is in effect, but that >>>>>> isn't >>>>>> >>> harming us in any way so I'm not worried. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Ron >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On 2012-10-25 09:12, Roswyne wrote: >>>>>> >>> > To follow up on this - I think it makes a significant difference >>>>>> >>> > whether or >>>>>> >>> > not their actions have been illegal. If they've been legal, >>>>>> then we >>>>>> >>> > can >>>>>> >>> > continue to deal with them... but if they've violated their >>>>>> contracts >>>>>> >>> > with >>>>>> >>> > us, then we can't trust them at all. >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > If I can get copies of our two leases, I'll take them to a >>>>>> lawyer for >>>>>> >>> > review *at my own expense*. >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > > My experience says that people who behave unfairly do so >>>>>> >>> > > consistently, and >>>>>> >>> > > escalate until you stop giving in to them. >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>> >>> > > We all know how this has continuously gotten worse as its >>>>>> progressed. >>>>>> >>> > > Why >>>>>> >>> > > give them another chance to shock us? >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>> >>> > > Moving time and costs will depend on what we take with us, >>>>>> based on >>>>>> >>> > > the >>>>>> >>> > > size of the new place and what people consider important. For >>>>>> >>> > > example, if >>>>>> >>> > > we don't have room for six couches, we won't take them all. >>>>>> And >>>>>> >>> > > Assentworks >>>>>> >>> > > might be happy to inheirit the ones we leave. >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>> >>> > > Similarly, people can take back any "lent" items and personal >>>>>> >>> > > projects. >>>>>> >>> > > Tables can be folded down, and benches and shelves can be >>>>>> >>> > > disassembled. >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>> >>> > > We shouldn't over plan the new location. Its easy to make >>>>>> plans - one >>>>>> >>> > > person can do that alone. 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