You know, I was wondering why we were all concerned about having to leave
with three months' notice, and then talking giving them three months' notice
right away.
It's all moot now, anyway.
What I'd like to do is find a collection of individual things we do to gain
money, and things we're thinking of doing. For example, we could offer tiny
cubicles for $100/month for people who want to work and store stuff.
(Each 5 ft. x 4 ft. of floor area should costs us about $20-$25 per month.
We could charge more for sound-proofing or a lock.)
I'd like some historical figures published: the drink money box, what we
know about our electrical usage, donations following certain events,
membership levels, and so on.
From the very basic talk we had over the possibilities of moving into the
space Justin found, we discovered we could do almost nothing extra and still
survive there for two years. We should make an outline of what we need to
do, pessimistically, to cover the remaining costs. We're going to be active
at conventions, and we're going to be inviting user groups.
The discussion list can be really weird for these kinds of discussions,
because it can be a pain to sort through things. The wiki is annoying
because you can't delete old topics, but it still works. We might as well
keep the data on a Strikeforce page for easy reference. Organizational
stuff, y'know?
I threw the info into http://skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Strikeforce:Space
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From: Ron
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Summary of last night's meeting --
whyleave
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On 2012-10-31 12:20, Mark Jenkins wrote:
> Most people want to move - even with AW being the new leasee, we have
> no trust in the building owners not trying to screw us again by
> ignoring contracts/the law.
I think you've missed a key detail -- AW doesn't appear to have much
faith either as they asked for an exit clause in this new lease.
(shit, we should have noticed that detail sooner, we had a copy last week)
Honestly, it's that detail that got me on board with wanting to leave.
Up till we found out about that, I still wanted to make it work. But the
thought that we may be left high and dry wasn't one I wanted to
consider.
Ron
As far as I'm concerned, being here with any exit clause, regardless of
stated intents by landlord or tennant to use such clauses or not is a no
go -- it gives parties the ability to demand a new deal too easilly
instead of honouring the existing one.
> (Lots of FUD about this - they could call
> in question any of a number of permits, they hire criminals every
> morning in the basement, etc. We have no leverage and they have all of
> it.)
I fully agree. The only real gun is the exit clause.
It would be extreme stupidity for a landlord to just suddenly lock doors
(prompting possible legal action) or initiate their own legal action
claiming violation of lease when they can just use the exit clause. The
former options are full of financial risk and uncertainty, the later
less so.
Locking the doors or initiating legal action only makes sense for a
landlord dealing with a tennant who's conduct is so bad that the risks
of keeping them over the exit period are worse then the risks of trying
to boot them faster.
The amount that six more months of electrical here would of entailed
would have been nothing compared court costs those useless nuclear
options would have entailed.
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