-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As if we read anything you say. :P
Seriously though, even if the lease doesen't require a personal guarentee, it's the job of the directors to make sure sksp doesn't tank (by running out of money). It may not be our asses on the line financially, but if we made a decision that caused sksp to run into undue financial burden and collapse, it'd be on our shoulders (politically). All that being said, I'm happy with where we are on this plan. Ron On 2012-11-06 09:44, Justin Lacko wrote: > Nate, the lease does not require a personal director guarantee. It is > signed as SkullSpace. I posted this a week ago, did everyone miss it? > > On Tuesday, 6 November 2012, Nathan T. Wild wrote: > > > My biggest concern with 'The Justin Plan' is the potential for directoral > > personal liability. > > > > I honestly think the plan will work anyway - and that we will genuinely > > thrive. That being said, it will not be my signature on the lease. If > > that issue has been addressed to Ron, etc.'s satisfaction then I am 100% > > behind this plan. > > > > I won't be there to vote today as I am away on bidness, but if I was I > > would be casting my lot with Team Shinynewspace. > > > > And yes, Mark J., as much as we tease you for being a touch on the wordy > > side of verbose, your nod actually does count for a lot as we know more > > than anyone else you have actually done the science. > > > > > > Nathan T. Wild > > Ralph Brown Community Centre Inc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> > > Sender: discuss-bounces@lists.skullspace.caDate: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:20:10 > > To: <discuss@lists.skullspace.ca> > > Reply-To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] I endorse the Justin plan > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > One question: was this endorsement given freely, or was it coerced? ;) > > > > Seriously though, your endorsement means a lot to me, and the fact that > > you endorse it makes me feel a lot better about it. I've been arguing > > against it on the mailing list for the past week, but honestly I think > > it's getting to the point where it's do-able. > > > > Ron > > > > On 2012-11-06 01:48, Mark Jenkins wrote: > > > Well folks, it's US election day and also an important meeting day once > > > again. > > > > > > Both of which mean it's endorsement time. > > > > > > So, first of all (off topic), JillStein.org for president and a green > > > new deal y'all! > > > > > > Second, I endorse the Justin plan. (Skullspace 2.0 / 374 Donald) > > > > > > Attached are my latest numbers. (source links at bottom) > > > > > > I have some conservative assumptions about our electricity consumption > > > and membership growth (no growth projected). There's also the optimistic > > > assumption that all of these voluntary commitments to pay more per month > > > than the mandatory dues ($40) will continue to hold in the coming years. > > > > > > As for student membership, I'm willing to assume if it passes that it's > > > revenue neutral, some of our current members will pay less, but we'll > > > also pick up students as well. > > > (If anyone thinks the student rate is going to reduce our net revenue > > > than speak out against it) > > > > > > Bottom line is, the listed assets, start-up costs and projected cash > > > flows with static assumptions are telling me we'll make it somewhere > > > into year 3 before running out of money. > > > > > > Generally I haven't been one to endorse proposals for negative cash flow > > > and zero discretionary budget. But, now that keeping our current space > > > is off the table, my attitude has changed. > > > > > > A lot of commitments have come forward that makes this work into year 3. > > > That money speaks to me, it tells me there's some real excitement about > > > this, an internal energy we'd be remiss to turn down. > > > > > > It's time to take a risk and see if we can leverage a big space like > > > this into much a bigger membership. We'll be back in the black with a > > > $400 a month discretionary budget if we can experience *net* growth of > > > 16 members ($640/month). > > > > > > I fully agree with "The Infrastructure Pattern" from the bible: > > > http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Infrastructure_Pattern > > > """What should come ???rst? Infrastructure or projects? > > > > > > Make everything infrastructure-driven. Rooms, power, servers, > > > connectivity, and other facilities come ???rst. Once you have that, > > people > > > will come up with the most amazing projects you didn???t think about in > > > the ???rst place. > > > """ > > > > > > The Justin plan will help us get the low level infrastructure (walls and > > > power) out of the way quickly so we can move on to hacker grade > > > infrastructure. > > > > > > Personally, I could tolerate any dumpy place if it had a few low tables, > > > electricity, internet, 24/7 access, shelter from the elements, and heat > > > in the winter. > > > > > > But I'd also rather not suffer through another conversion of wide open > > > storage space into a hackerspace only to have the joy of our rent jacked > > > up 3-5 years later once the landlord sees we've sort-of converted it > > > into office grade space. > > > (and we're not going to be able to negotiate reimbursement for leasehold > > > improvements upfront by a landlord on some dumpy storage grade space) > > > > > > Even along those line, I also don't see who's going to be our new Mike > > > with a hat in terms of enthusiastic leadership for wall, workbench, and > > > shelve building. > > > > > > What we did at 125 Adelaide was beyond what I ever imagined was possible > > > -- we used a large, crappy, cheap space to bootstrap a considerably > > > large membership. > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlCZMZUACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/To+ACcCIVjjSNHKwy6G4y+4wR662aK srUAoN9mCKhOIz+WuszUgHYXOjNqEkI1 =sTDK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
