Jeez, people need to be more patient. We're getting free work from a talented guy to get this all set up. WE WILL GET IT FIGURED OUT. PLEASE EXCUSE THE DOWNTIME/MODIFIED HOURS!
I measured the door yesterday, Colin is measuring the old space doors tonight I think... we'll get this figured out! On 21 November 2012 14:06, Ian E. Trump <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a good email with wise words.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jay Smith > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 14:04 > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote**** > > ** ** > > Thanks Richard! And thank you Colin for all the work you've put in at this > space and the last one. I'm personally impressed by the speed at which > Colin's set things up and appreciate the work he's put in. (I still have no > idea how he managed to neatly install those wires while seemingly leaving > the door-frame untouched) > > In the meantime, just a gentle reminder that if you want the access issue > to be resolved quicker, you're best approach is to take Colin up on the > request for help that he made at the last meeting. > > That said, going by some of the comments I've heard off-list and on this > mailing list, I think some people are under the impression that Colin (and > everybody else working on the doors) is SkullSpace's bitch. This is not the > case. He's doing this for no other reason than because he wants to. Respect > his work as such. > > We are a community of people who actually like doing things (a do-ocracy > if you will). People who like doing things often don't appreciate people > who just criticize their work and ask them to do more things. We have > outright lost good people on account of this behavior and have de-motivated > several others. > > Please, be mindful of how you treat the people doing things to help the > space. I know all of us, myself included, can find ways to do better. > > Do: > - Ask how you can help > - Ask to do it yourself > - Give constructive advice and suggestions > - Be thankful for the people actively working to make the space better > > Don't: > - Bitch > - Insult > - Give others more work to do > - Micromanage the people actively working to make the space better > > No member has the right to boss around other members. Even us directors > try to avoid such behavior whenever possible.**** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > I will happy pay to have my own key cut and whatever surcharge you deem > necessary for the "inconvenience".**** > > **** > > I find being locked out to be an inconvenience. If Colin can just get the > fobs working on the outside door, I don't see what the issue is with > cutting keys that will automatically expire if/when the interior lock gets > changed.**** > > **** > > > > **** > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1**** > > As a last option, let's look at that. As a first option, let's look at > something easier/better. :) > > Ron**** > > > On 2012-11-21 12:45, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > > We'd be paying, so that answers that. Take a last-call order now and at > Tuesday's meeting, then get that many made. Not every member > > comes often enough to need a key, so those who specifically need it > (those who always come outside of Tuesdays, Fridays, and > > Hackathons) enough to want to pay a few dollars for rental can buy > theirs. (Make it clear that we don't own our key.) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:15 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > When I had the directors' keys cut, they were $3 each. Other places > > might be cheaper. According to a list I just saw, we have 42 members, > > which means $126 to cut keys for everybody. Our budget for this is > > currently about $0. I paid out of my own pocket for the directors' keys > > (10 keys =~ $35 after tax). > > > > We could do it on-demand, if we needed to, but that's a lot of extra > > work for somebody, plus getting the keys back after - at Adelaide, we > > never did get everybody's keys back, which proves that people can't be > > trusted with keys (or to maintain lists of who has keys :) ). > > > > I'd rather go with the easier and cheaper solutions first, if possible, > > before getting more complicated/expensive. > > > > Ron > > > > On 2012-11-21 12:06, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > > > How much would it cost to cut a key, really? I'd personally pay a few > dollars to rent a newly-cut key until a fob system is put in > > > place. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:47 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > As a stopgat measure, we have a few choices: > > > - - Find a door that will fit and replace our door with it > > > - - Cut keys for the internal door, get the fob hooked up to the > external > > > - - Put a lockbox inside and put a key in the lockbox > > > > > > I don't know which is the most possible/cheap, but let's wait till > > > Justin measures the sksp1 doors before we make any decisions. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > On 2012-11-21 11:37, Roswyne wrote: > > > > The "decision" at the meeting was to see if we could simply replace > the > > > > door instead of installing a lock guard. Justin was going to see if > any of > > > > the doors we installed at SkSp1 would work, or if he could find one > of the > > > > correct size at the Re-Store. > > > > > > > > If that didn't work out, then we would probably, painfully, have to > get the > > > > locksmith to do the work. > > > > > > > > However, with a 3-4 week lead time for the locksmith to order the > plate, > > > > that will push us far past the beginning of December for us to have a > > > > working interior door. > > > > > > > > Honestly, I think it's time to start cutting keys so we can use the > > > > existing door as is. It'll be cheaper than having the work > professionally > > > > done on the door, and it can be done much more quickly, so we can > continue > > > > to search for a replacement door at our leisure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM, R Rodd <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Attached is the quote I received from Noble after their visit > > > > > yesterday. I'm not sure if it was discussed at the meeting last > night butI assume it > > > > > was mentioned so I'm not providing the context and background that > Colin > > > > > can speak to if there are any questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Action items at this point, I think, would be input from members > and a Go > > > > > | No-Go from exec. Due to the older design and construction of > the door necessitating > > > > > a unique handset the quote is about 60% higher than I was expecting > > > > > initially, before meeting with the locksmith yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a Go from exec, probably someone with a key should > schedule a > > > > > time for the work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Richard > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Frank Senden [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 2012 November 21 7:50 > > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > > *Subject:* Noble Locksmith Quote**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > Hi Richard,**** > > > > > > > > > > Please see Quote 12-619.**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,**** > > > > > > > > > > Frank Senden**** > > > > > > > > > > Noble Locksmith Ltd.**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAlCtE6MACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/STGQCfcsNkldgKS2D1T6Wz4jdtnT3M > > > uokAoLENKwiV0vW5kfon8d5TLMAL9akQ > > > =Ud6m > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAlCtGjUACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RBFQCZAeDo1L2JfdlgNt052dZkQuZA > > KtQAn3g3jlSxhEFyD6tBulIcgARA0nd+ > > =dtWb > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)**** > > iEYEARECAAYFAlCtIboACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RDzwCgw7WYS+TOMVvNkgX5/2RSAaj5 > YGUAoMW0u/x2b23nis3NYoED1RkQaCTI > =tT7b**** > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/**** > > ** ** > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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