Correct me if I am wrong Justin, the landlord does not want many keys cut for the door.
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting everyone else should > just be patient. > > The rest of us who would prefer not to be locked out have made a viable > suggestion and clearly indicated we will pay the expense of it ourselves. > It is purely opt-in, and won't cost anyone a penny if they choose not to > participate in it. > > So why are we being told we shouldn't/can't implement it? Isn't the whole > point of a do-ocracy that if you care enough about something, you can and > should do (and fund) it yourself? > > > > In case I haven't made myself clear, I deeply appreciate all the work that > Justin and Colin and Rich and others have put into getting the new place > setup. My issue is with how my concerns are being denigrated and offers to > help in the ways I can are sneered at and deemed unnecessary. > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Jeez, people need to be more patient. We're getting free work from a >> talented guy to get this all set up. WE WILL GET IT FIGURED OUT. PLEASE >> EXCUSE THE DOWNTIME/MODIFIED HOURS! >> >> I measured the door yesterday, Colin is measuring the old space doors >> tonight I think... we'll get this figured out! >> >> >> On 21 November 2012 14:06, Ian E. Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This is a good email with wise words.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jay Smith >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 14:04 >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thanks Richard! And thank you Colin for all the work you've put in at >>> this space and the last one. I'm personally impressed by the speed at which >>> Colin's set things up and appreciate the work he's put in. (I still have no >>> idea how he managed to neatly install those wires while seemingly leaving >>> the door-frame untouched) >>> >>> In the meantime, just a gentle reminder that if you want the access >>> issue to be resolved quicker, you're best approach is to take Colin up on >>> the request for help that he made at the last meeting. >>> >>> That said, going by some of the comments I've heard off-list and on this >>> mailing list, I think some people are under the impression that Colin (and >>> everybody else working on the doors) is SkullSpace's bitch. This is not the >>> case. He's doing this for no other reason than because he wants to. Respect >>> his work as such. >>> >>> We are a community of people who actually like doing things (a do-ocracy >>> if you will). People who like doing things often don't appreciate people >>> who just criticize their work and ask them to do more things. We have >>> outright lost good people on account of this behavior and have de-motivated >>> several others. >>> >>> Please, be mindful of how you treat the people doing things to help the >>> space. I know all of us, myself included, can find ways to do better. >>> >>> Do: >>> - Ask how you can help >>> - Ask to do it yourself >>> - Give constructive advice and suggestions >>> - Be thankful for the people actively working to make the space better >>> >>> Don't: >>> - Bitch >>> - Insult >>> - Give others more work to do >>> - Micromanage the people actively working to make the space better >>> >>> No member has the right to boss around other members. Even us directors >>> try to avoid such behavior whenever possible.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote:**** >>> >>> I will happy pay to have my own key cut and whatever surcharge you deem >>> necessary for the "inconvenience".**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I find being locked out to be an inconvenience. If Colin can just get >>> the fobs working on the outside door, I don't see what the issue is with >>> cutting keys that will automatically expire if/when the interior lock gets >>> changed.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:**** >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1**** >>> >>> As a last option, let's look at that. As a first option, let's look at >>> something easier/better. :) >>> >>> Ron**** >>> >>> >>> On 2012-11-21 12:45, Michael Kozakewich wrote: >>> > We'd be paying, so that answers that. Take a last-call order now and >>> at Tuesday's meeting, then get that many made. Not every member >>> > comes often enough to need a key, so those who specifically need it >>> (those who always come outside of Tuesdays, Fridays, and >>> > Hackathons) enough to want to pay a few dollars for rental can buy >>> theirs. (Make it clear that we don't own our key.) >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Ron >>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:15 PM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote >>> > >>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> > Hash: SHA1 >>> > >>> > When I had the directors' keys cut, they were $3 each. Other places >>> > might be cheaper. According to a list I just saw, we have 42 members, >>> > which means $126 to cut keys for everybody. Our budget for this is >>> > currently about $0. I paid out of my own pocket for the directors' keys >>> > (10 keys =~ $35 after tax). >>> > >>> > We could do it on-demand, if we needed to, but that's a lot of extra >>> > work for somebody, plus getting the keys back after - at Adelaide, we >>> > never did get everybody's keys back, which proves that people can't be >>> > trusted with keys (or to maintain lists of who has keys :) ). >>> > >>> > I'd rather go with the easier and cheaper solutions first, if possible, >>> > before getting more complicated/expensive. >>> > >>> > Ron >>> > >>> > On 2012-11-21 12:06, Michael Kozakewich wrote: >>> > > How much would it cost to cut a key, really? I'd personally pay a >>> few dollars to rent a newly-cut key until a fob system is put in >>> > > place. >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: Ron >>> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:47 AM >>> > > To: [email protected] >>> > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote >>> > > >>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> > > Hash: SHA1 >>> > > >>> > > As a stopgat measure, we have a few choices: >>> > > - - Find a door that will fit and replace our door with it >>> > > - - Cut keys for the internal door, get the fob hooked up to the >>> external >>> > > - - Put a lockbox inside and put a key in the lockbox >>> > > >>> > > I don't know which is the most possible/cheap, but let's wait till >>> > > Justin measures the sksp1 doors before we make any decisions. >>> > > >>> > > Ron >>> > > >>> > > On 2012-11-21 11:37, Roswyne wrote: >>> > > > The "decision" at the meeting was to see if we could simply >>> replace the >>> > > > door instead of installing a lock guard. Justin was going to see >>> if any of >>> > > > the doors we installed at SkSp1 would work, or if he could find >>> one of the >>> > > > correct size at the Re-Store. >>> > > > >>> > > > If that didn't work out, then we would probably, painfully, have >>> to get the >>> > > > locksmith to do the work. >>> > > > >>> > > > However, with a 3-4 week lead time for the locksmith to order the >>> plate, >>> > > > that will push us far past the beginning of December for us to >>> have a >>> > > > working interior door. >>> > > > >>> > > > Honestly, I think it's time to start cutting keys so we can use the >>> > > > existing door as is. It'll be cheaper than having the work >>> professionally >>> > > > done on the door, and it can be done much more quickly, so we can >>> continue >>> > > > to search for a replacement door at our leisure. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM, R Rodd <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > > Attached is the quote I received from Noble after their visit >>> > > > > yesterday. I'm not sure if it was discussed at the meeting last >>> night butI assume it >>> > > > > was mentioned so I'm not providing the context and background >>> that Colin >>> > > > > can speak to if there are any questions. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Action items at this point, I think, would be input from members >>> and a Go >>> > > > > | No-Go from exec. Due to the older design and construction of >>> the door necessitating >>> > > > > a unique handset the quote is about 60% higher than I was >>> expecting >>> > > > > initially, before meeting with the locksmith yesterday. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > If it is a Go from exec, probably someone with a key should >>> schedule a >>> > > > > time for the work. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > - Richard >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > *From:* Frank Senden [mailto:[email protected]] >>> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 2012 November 21 7:50 >>> > > > > *To:* [email protected] >>> > > > > *Subject:* Noble Locksmith Quote**** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ** ** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Hi Richard,**** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Please see Quote 12-619.**** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ** ** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Sincerely,**** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Frank Senden**** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Noble Locksmith Ltd.**** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ** ** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ** ** >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > > > Help: >>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > > > Archive: >>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > > Archive: >>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > > >>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >>> > > >>> > > iEYEARECAAYFAlCtE6MACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/STGQCfcsNkldgKS2D1T6Wz4jdtnT3M >>> > > uokAoLENKwiV0vW5kfon8d5TLMAL9akQ >>> > > =Ud6m >>> > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >>> > >>> > iEYEARECAAYFAlCtGjUACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RBFQCZAeDo1L2JfdlgNt052dZkQuZA >>> > KtQAn3g3jlSxhEFyD6tBulIcgARA0nd+ >>> > =dtWb >>> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)**** >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAlCtIboACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RDzwCgw7WYS+TOMVvNkgX5/2RSAaj5 >>> YGUAoMW0u/x2b23nis3NYoED1RkQaCTI >>> =tT7b**** >>> >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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