Right. No extra keys for the front door to be cut for the front door beyond directors.
On 21 November 2012 14:50, Jeremy Hiebert <[email protected]> wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong Justin, the landlord does not want many keys cut > for the door. > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting everyone else should >> just be patient. >> >> The rest of us who would prefer not to be locked out have made a viable >> suggestion and clearly indicated we will pay the expense of it ourselves. >> It is purely opt-in, and won't cost anyone a penny if they choose not to >> participate in it. >> >> So why are we being told we shouldn't/can't implement it? Isn't the >> whole point of a do-ocracy that if you care enough about something, you can >> and should do (and fund) it yourself? >> >> >> >> In case I haven't made myself clear, I deeply appreciate all the work >> that Justin and Colin and Rich and others have put into getting the new >> place setup. My issue is with how my concerns are being denigrated and >> offers to help in the ways I can are sneered at and deemed unnecessary. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Jeez, people need to be more patient. We're getting free work from a >>> talented guy to get this all set up. WE WILL GET IT FIGURED OUT. PLEASE >>> EXCUSE THE DOWNTIME/MODIFIED HOURS! >>> >>> I measured the door yesterday, Colin is measuring the old space doors >>> tonight I think... we'll get this figured out! >>> >>> >>> On 21 November 2012 14:06, Ian E. Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This is a good email with wise words.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jay Smith >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 14:04 >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Thanks Richard! And thank you Colin for all the work you've put in at >>>> this space and the last one. I'm personally impressed by the speed at which >>>> Colin's set things up and appreciate the work he's put in. (I still have no >>>> idea how he managed to neatly install those wires while seemingly leaving >>>> the door-frame untouched) >>>> >>>> In the meantime, just a gentle reminder that if you want the access >>>> issue to be resolved quicker, you're best approach is to take Colin up on >>>> the request for help that he made at the last meeting. >>>> >>>> That said, going by some of the comments I've heard off-list and on >>>> this mailing list, I think some people are under the impression that Colin >>>> (and everybody else working on the doors) is SkullSpace's bitch. This is >>>> not the case. He's doing this for no other reason than because he wants to. >>>> Respect his work as such. >>>> >>>> We are a community of people who actually like doing things (a >>>> do-ocracy if you will). People who like doing things often don't appreciate >>>> people who just criticize their work and ask them to do more things. We >>>> have outright lost good people on account of this behavior and have >>>> de-motivated several others. >>>> >>>> Please, be mindful of how you treat the people doing things to help the >>>> space. I know all of us, myself included, can find ways to do better. >>>> >>>> Do: >>>> - Ask how you can help >>>> - Ask to do it yourself >>>> - Give constructive advice and suggestions >>>> - Be thankful for the people actively working to make the space better >>>> >>>> Don't: >>>> - Bitch >>>> - Insult >>>> - Give others more work to do >>>> - Micromanage the people actively working to make the space better >>>> >>>> No member has the right to boss around other members. Even us directors >>>> try to avoid such behavior whenever possible.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> I will happy pay to have my own key cut and whatever surcharge you deem >>>> necessary for the "inconvenience".**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> I find being locked out to be an inconvenience. If Colin can just get >>>> the fobs working on the outside door, I don't see what the issue is with >>>> cutting keys that will automatically expire if/when the interior lock gets >>>> changed.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:*** >>>> * >>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1**** >>>> >>>> As a last option, let's look at that. As a first option, let's look at >>>> something easier/better. :) >>>> >>>> Ron**** >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2012-11-21 12:45, Michael Kozakewich wrote: >>>> > We'd be paying, so that answers that. Take a last-call order now and >>>> at Tuesday's meeting, then get that many made. Not every member >>>> > comes often enough to need a key, so those who specifically need it >>>> (those who always come outside of Tuesdays, Fridays, and >>>> > Hackathons) enough to want to pay a few dollars for rental can buy >>>> theirs. (Make it clear that we don't own our key.) >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Ron >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:15 PM >>>> > To: [email protected] >>>> > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote >>>> > >>>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> > Hash: SHA1 >>>> > >>>> > When I had the directors' keys cut, they were $3 each. Other places >>>> > might be cheaper. According to a list I just saw, we have 42 members, >>>> > which means $126 to cut keys for everybody. Our budget for this is >>>> > currently about $0. I paid out of my own pocket for the directors' >>>> keys >>>> > (10 keys =~ $35 after tax). >>>> > >>>> > We could do it on-demand, if we needed to, but that's a lot of extra >>>> > work for somebody, plus getting the keys back after - at Adelaide, we >>>> > never did get everybody's keys back, which proves that people can't be >>>> > trusted with keys (or to maintain lists of who has keys :) ). >>>> > >>>> > I'd rather go with the easier and cheaper solutions first, if >>>> possible, >>>> > before getting more complicated/expensive. >>>> > >>>> > Ron >>>> > >>>> > On 2012-11-21 12:06, Michael Kozakewich wrote: >>>> > > How much would it cost to cut a key, really? I'd personally pay a >>>> few dollars to rent a newly-cut key until a fob system is put in >>>> > > place. >>>> > > >>>> > > -----Original Message----- >>>> > > From: Ron >>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:47 AM >>>> > > To: [email protected] >>>> > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote >>>> > > >>>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> > > Hash: SHA1 >>>> > > >>>> > > As a stopgat measure, we have a few choices: >>>> > > - - Find a door that will fit and replace our door with it >>>> > > - - Cut keys for the internal door, get the fob hooked up to the >>>> external >>>> > > - - Put a lockbox inside and put a key in the lockbox >>>> > > >>>> > > I don't know which is the most possible/cheap, but let's wait till >>>> > > Justin measures the sksp1 doors before we make any decisions. >>>> > > >>>> > > Ron >>>> > > >>>> > > On 2012-11-21 11:37, Roswyne wrote: >>>> > > > The "decision" at the meeting was to see if we could simply >>>> replace the >>>> > > > door instead of installing a lock guard. Justin was going to see >>>> if any of >>>> > > > the doors we installed at SkSp1 would work, or if he could find >>>> one of the >>>> > > > correct size at the Re-Store. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > If that didn't work out, then we would probably, painfully, have >>>> to get the >>>> > > > locksmith to do the work. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > However, with a 3-4 week lead time for the locksmith to order the >>>> plate, >>>> > > > that will push us far past the beginning of December for us to >>>> have a >>>> > > > working interior door. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Honestly, I think it's time to start cutting keys so we can use >>>> the >>>> > > > existing door as is. It'll be cheaper than having the work >>>> professionally >>>> > > > done on the door, and it can be done much more quickly, so we can >>>> continue >>>> > > > to search for a replacement door at our leisure. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM, R Rodd <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > Attached is the quote I received from Noble after their visit >>>> > > > > yesterday. I'm not sure if it was discussed at the meeting >>>> last night butI assume it >>>> > > > > was mentioned so I'm not providing the context and background >>>> that Colin >>>> > > > > can speak to if there are any questions. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Action items at this point, I think, would be input from >>>> members and a Go >>>> > > > > | No-Go from exec. Due to the older design and construction of >>>> the door necessitating >>>> > > > > a unique handset the quote is about 60% higher than I was >>>> expecting >>>> > > > > initially, before meeting with the locksmith yesterday. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > If it is a Go from exec, probably someone with a key should >>>> schedule a >>>> > > > > time for the work. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > - Richard >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > ** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > *From:* Frank Senden [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 2012 November 21 7:50 >>>> > > > > *To:* [email protected] >>>> > > > > *Subject:* Noble Locksmith Quote**** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > ** ** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Hi Richard,**** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Please see Quote 12-619.**** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > ** ** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Sincerely,**** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Frank Senden**** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Noble Locksmith Ltd.**** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > ** ** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > ** ** >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> > > > > Help: >>>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> > > > > Archive: >>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> > > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> > > > Help: >>>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> > > > Archive: >>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> > > >>>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >>>> > > >>>> > > iEYEARECAAYFAlCtE6MACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/STGQCfcsNkldgKS2D1T6Wz4jdtnT3M >>>> > > uokAoLENKwiV0vW5kfon8d5TLMAL9akQ >>>> > > =Ud6m >>>> > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> > > Archive: >>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> > > Archive: >>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >>>> > >>>> > iEYEARECAAYFAlCtGjUACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RBFQCZAeDo1L2JfdlgNt052dZkQuZA >>>> > KtQAn3g3jlSxhEFyD6tBulIcgARA0nd+ >>>> > =dtWb >>>> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)**** >>>> >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAlCtIboACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RDzwCgw7WYS+TOMVvNkgX5/2RSAaj5 >>>> YGUAoMW0u/x2b23nis3NYoED1RkQaCTI >>>> =tT7b**** >>>> >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/*** >>>> * >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/*** >>>> * >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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