Please tell me about this mythical key that people want copies of. We aren't allowed to make keys of the front door beyond the few we've made - landlord's rule. That door is unlocked M-F 9-5. We do not possess a key for the upstairs suite door which is why we're looking into getting it replaced. So please tell me about the magical key that will open the doors.
</sarcasm> On 21 November 2012 22:00, Dave Curry <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't recall Colin saying that we shouldn't do temporary keys for > people. If people want to pay the money for keys that are going to be > useless once the changeover is done, why are we not doing this? It's not > SkullSpace funds that we're talking about, it's whatever given member wants > to shell out the money for it. If it's not an inconvenience for a > key-bearer to come out at any hour to let people in, why is it one to > arrange to bring them to get a key cut? > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:00:38PM -0600, Jay Smith wrote: > > "It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting everyone else > should > > just be patient." > > > > I don't appreciate the ad hominem attack that you're implying. > > > > Ask, don't tell, the people doing the work how you might be able to > help. > > They've been working on this for the last while and know what needs > to be > > done. They also know what can't and shouldn't be done. > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting everyone else > should > > just be patient. > > > > The rest of us who would prefer not to be locked out have made a > viable > > suggestion and clearly indicated we will pay the expense of it > > ourselves. It is purely opt-in, and won't cost anyone a penny if > they > > choose not to participate in it. > > > > So why are we being told we shouldn't/can't implement it? Isn't the > > whole point of a do-ocracy that if you care enough about something, > you > > can and should do (and fund) it yourself? > > > > > > > > In case I haven't made myself clear, I deeply appreciate all the > work > > that Justin and Colin and Rich and others have put into getting the > new > > place setup. My issue is with how my concerns are being denigrated > and > > offers to help in the ways I can are sneered at and deemed > unnecessary. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Jeez, people need to be more patient. We're getting free work > from a > > talented guy to get this all set up. WE WILL GET IT FIGURED OUT. > > PLEASE EXCUSE THE DOWNTIME/MODIFIED HOURS! > > I measured the door yesterday, Colin is measuring the old space > doors > > tonight I think... we'll get this figured out! > > > > On 21 November 2012 14:06, Ian E. Trump <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > This is a good email with wise words. > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay > Smith > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 14:04 > > > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote > > > > > > > > Thanks Richard! And thank you Colin for all the work you've put > in > > at this space and the last one. I'm personally impressed by the > > speed at which Colin's set things up and appreciate the work > he's > > put in. (I still have no idea how he managed to neatly install > those > > wires while seemingly leaving the door-frame untouched) > > > > In the meantime, just a gentle reminder that if you want the > access > > issue to be resolved quicker, you're best approach is to take > Colin > > up on the request for help that he made at the last meeting. > > > > That said, going by some of the comments I've heard off-list > and on > > this mailing list, I think some people are under the impression > that > > Colin (and everybody else working on the doors) is SkullSpace's > > bitch. This is not the case. He's doing this for no other reason > > than because he wants to. Respect his work as such. > > > > We are a community of people who actually like doing things (a > > do-ocracy if you will). People who like doing things often don't > > appreciate people who just criticize their work and ask them to > do > > more things. We have outright lost good people on account of > this > > behavior and have de-motivated several others. > > > > Please, be mindful of how you treat the people doing things to > help > > the space. I know all of us, myself included, can find ways to > do > > better. > > > > Do: > > - Ask how you can help > > - Ask to do it yourself > > - Give constructive advice and suggestions > > - Be thankful for the people actively working to make the space > > better > > > > Don't: > > - Bitch > > - Insult > > - Give others more work to do > > - Micromanage the people actively working to make the space > better > > > > No member has the right to boss around other members. Even us > > directors try to avoid such behavior whenever possible. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > I will happy pay to have my own key cut and whatever surcharge > you > > deem necessary for the "inconvenience". > > > > > > > > I find being locked out to be an inconvenience. If Colin can > just > > get the fobs working on the outside door, I don't see what the > issue > > is with cutting keys that will automatically expire if/when the > > interior lock gets changed. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Ron <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > As a last option, let's look at that. As a first option, let's > look > > at > > something easier/better. :) > > > > Ron > > > > On 2012-11-21 12:45, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > > > We'd be paying, so that answers that. Take a last-call order > now > > and at Tuesday's meeting, then get that many made. Not every > member > > > comes often enough to need a key, so those who specifically > need > > it (those who always come outside of Tuesdays, Fridays, and > > > Hackathons) enough to want to pay a few dollars for rental > can buy > > theirs. (Make it clear that we don't own our key.) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:15 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > When I had the directors' keys cut, they were $3 each. Other > > places > > > might be cheaper. According to a list I just saw, we have 42 > > members, > > > which means $126 to cut keys for everybody. Our budget for > this is > > > currently about $0. I paid out of my own pocket for the > directors' > > keys > > > (10 keys =~ $35 after tax). > > > > > > We could do it on-demand, if we needed to, but that's a lot of > > extra > > > work for somebody, plus getting the keys back after - at > Adelaide, > > we > > > never did get everybody's keys back, which proves that people > > can't be > > > trusted with keys (or to maintain lists of who has keys :) ). > > > > > > I'd rather go with the easier and cheaper solutions first, if > > possible, > > > before getting more complicated/expensive. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > On 2012-11-21 12:06, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > > > > How much would it cost to cut a key, really? I'd personally > pay > > a few dollars to rent a newly-cut key until a fob system is put > in > > > > place. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ron > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:47 AM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > As a stopgat measure, we have a few choices: > > > > - - Find a door that will fit and replace our door with it > > > > - - Cut keys for the internal door, get the fob hooked up > to the > > external > > > > - - Put a lockbox inside and put a key in the lockbox > > > > > > > > I don't know which is the most possible/cheap, but let's > wait > > till > > > > Justin measures the sksp1 doors before we make any > decisions. > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > On 2012-11-21 11:37, Roswyne wrote: > > > > > The "decision" at the meeting was to see if we could > simply > > replace the > > > > > door instead of installing a lock guard. Justin was > going to > > see if any of > > > > > the doors we installed at SkSp1 would work, or if he could > > find one of the > > > > > correct size at the Re-Store. > > > > > > > > > > If that didn't work out, then we would probably, > painfully, > > have to get the > > > > > locksmith to do the work. > > > > > > > > > > However, with a 3-4 week lead time for the locksmith to > order > > the plate, > > > > > that will push us far past the beginning of December for > us to > > have a > > > > > working interior door. > > > > > > > > > > Honestly, I think it's time to start cutting keys so we > can > > use the > > > > > existing door as is. It'll be cheaper than having the > work > > professionally > > > > > done on the door, and it can be done much more quickly, > so we > > can continue > > > > > to search for a replacement door at our leisure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM, R Rodd > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Attached is the quote I received from Noble after their > > visit > > > > > > yesterday. I'm not sure if it was discussed at the > meeting > > last night butI assume it > > > > > > was mentioned so I'm not providing the context and > > background that Colin > > > > > > can speak to if there are any questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Action items at this point, I think, would be input from > > members and a Go > > > > > > | No-Go from exec. Due to the older design and > construction > > of the door necessitating > > > > > > a unique handset the quote is about 60% higher than I > was > > expecting > > > > > > initially, before meeting with the locksmith yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a Go from exec, probably someone with a key > should > > schedule a > > > > > > time for the work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Frank Senden [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 2012 November 21 7:50 > > > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > > > *Subject:* Noble Locksmith Quote**** > > > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Richard,**** > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see Quote 12-619.**** > > > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,**** > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank Senden**** > > > > > > > > > > > > Noble Locksmith Ltd.**** > > > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > 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