I should mention there's a deadbolt, but I'm not sure of the status of that... maybe Colin can speak to whether we're using it or not?
On 21 November 2012 22:07, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> wrote: > Please tell me about this mythical key that people want copies of. > > We aren't allowed to make keys of the front door beyond the few we've made > - landlord's rule. That door is unlocked M-F 9-5. We do not possess a key > for the upstairs suite door which is why we're looking into getting it > replaced. So please tell me about the magical key that will open the doors. > > </sarcasm> > > > On 21 November 2012 22:00, Dave Curry <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't recall Colin saying that we shouldn't do temporary keys for >> people. If people want to pay the money for keys that are going to be >> useless once the changeover is done, why are we not doing this? It's not >> SkullSpace funds that we're talking about, it's whatever given member wants >> to shell out the money for it. If it's not an inconvenience for a >> key-bearer to come out at any hour to let people in, why is it one to >> arrange to bring them to get a key cut? >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:00:38PM -0600, Jay Smith wrote: >> > "It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting everyone else >> should >> > just be patient." >> > >> > I don't appreciate the ad hominem attack that you're implying. >> > >> > Ask, don't tell, the people doing the work how you might be able to >> help. >> > They've been working on this for the last while and know what needs >> to be >> > done. They also know what can't and shouldn't be done. >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting everyone else >> should >> > just be patient. >> > >> > The rest of us who would prefer not to be locked out have made a >> viable >> > suggestion and clearly indicated we will pay the expense of it >> > ourselves. It is purely opt-in, and won't cost anyone a penny if >> they >> > choose not to participate in it. >> > >> > So why are we being told we shouldn't/can't implement it? Isn't >> the >> > whole point of a do-ocracy that if you care enough about >> something, you >> > can and should do (and fund) it yourself? >> > >> > >> > >> > In case I haven't made myself clear, I deeply appreciate all the >> work >> > that Justin and Colin and Rich and others have put into getting >> the new >> > place setup. My issue is with how my concerns are being >> denigrated and >> > offers to help in the ways I can are sneered at and deemed >> unnecessary. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > Jeez, people need to be more patient. We're getting free work >> from a >> > talented guy to get this all set up. WE WILL GET IT FIGURED OUT. >> > PLEASE EXCUSE THE DOWNTIME/MODIFIED HOURS! >> > I measured the door yesterday, Colin is measuring the old space >> doors >> > tonight I think... we'll get this figured out! >> > >> > On 21 November 2012 14:06, Ian E. Trump <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > This is a good email with wise words. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay >> Smith >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 14:04 >> > >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks Richard! And thank you Colin for all the work you've >> put in >> > at this space and the last one. I'm personally impressed by the >> > speed at which Colin's set things up and appreciate the work >> he's >> > put in. (I still have no idea how he managed to neatly install >> those >> > wires while seemingly leaving the door-frame untouched) >> > >> > In the meantime, just a gentle reminder that if you want the >> access >> > issue to be resolved quicker, you're best approach is to take >> Colin >> > up on the request for help that he made at the last meeting. >> > >> > That said, going by some of the comments I've heard off-list >> and on >> > this mailing list, I think some people are under the >> impression that >> > Colin (and everybody else working on the doors) is SkullSpace's >> > bitch. This is not the case. He's doing this for no other >> reason >> > than because he wants to. Respect his work as such. >> > >> > We are a community of people who actually like doing things (a >> > do-ocracy if you will). People who like doing things often >> don't >> > appreciate people who just criticize their work and ask them >> to do >> > more things. We have outright lost good people on account of >> this >> > behavior and have de-motivated several others. >> > >> > Please, be mindful of how you treat the people doing things to >> help >> > the space. I know all of us, myself included, can find ways to >> do >> > better. >> > >> > Do: >> > - Ask how you can help >> > - Ask to do it yourself >> > - Give constructive advice and suggestions >> > - Be thankful for the people actively working to make the space >> > better >> > >> > Don't: >> > - Bitch >> > - Insult >> > - Give others more work to do >> > - Micromanage the people actively working to make the space >> better >> > >> > No member has the right to boss around other members. Even us >> > directors try to avoid such behavior whenever possible. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > I will happy pay to have my own key cut and whatever surcharge >> you >> > deem necessary for the "inconvenience". >> > >> > >> > >> > I find being locked out to be an inconvenience. If Colin can >> just >> > get the fobs working on the outside door, I don't see what the >> issue >> > is with cutting keys that will automatically expire if/when the >> > interior lock gets changed. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Ron <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > As a last option, let's look at that. As a first option, let's >> look >> > at >> > something easier/better. :) >> > >> > Ron >> > >> > On 2012-11-21 12:45, Michael Kozakewich wrote: >> > > We'd be paying, so that answers that. Take a last-call order >> now >> > and at Tuesday's meeting, then get that many made. Not every >> member >> > > comes often enough to need a key, so those who specifically >> need >> > it (those who always come outside of Tuesdays, Fridays, and >> > > Hackathons) enough to want to pay a few dollars for rental >> can buy >> > theirs. (Make it clear that we don't own our key.) >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Ron >> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:15 PM >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote >> > > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > > Hash: SHA1 >> > > >> > > When I had the directors' keys cut, they were $3 each. Other >> > places >> > > might be cheaper. According to a list I just saw, we have 42 >> > members, >> > > which means $126 to cut keys for everybody. Our budget for >> this is >> > > currently about $0. I paid out of my own pocket for the >> directors' >> > keys >> > > (10 keys =~ $35 after tax). >> > > >> > > We could do it on-demand, if we needed to, but that's a lot >> of >> > extra >> > > work for somebody, plus getting the keys back after - at >> Adelaide, >> > we >> > > never did get everybody's keys back, which proves that people >> > can't be >> > > trusted with keys (or to maintain lists of who has keys :) ). >> > > >> > > I'd rather go with the easier and cheaper solutions first, if >> > possible, >> > > before getting more complicated/expensive. >> > > >> > > Ron >> > > >> > > On 2012-11-21 12:06, Michael Kozakewich wrote: >> > > > How much would it cost to cut a key, really? I'd >> personally pay >> > a few dollars to rent a newly-cut key until a fob system is >> put in >> > > > place. >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Ron >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:47 AM >> > > > To: [email protected] >> > > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith >> Quote >> > > > >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > > > Hash: SHA1 >> > > > >> > > > As a stopgat measure, we have a few choices: >> > > > - - Find a door that will fit and replace our door with it >> > > > - - Cut keys for the internal door, get the fob hooked up >> to the >> > external >> > > > - - Put a lockbox inside and put a key in the lockbox >> > > > >> > > > I don't know which is the most possible/cheap, but let's >> wait >> > till >> > > > Justin measures the sksp1 doors before we make any >> decisions. >> > > > >> > > > Ron >> > > > >> > > > On 2012-11-21 11:37, Roswyne wrote: >> > > > > The "decision" at the meeting was to see if we could >> simply >> > replace the >> > > > > door instead of installing a lock guard. Justin was >> going to >> > see if any of >> > > > > the doors we installed at SkSp1 would work, or if he >> could >> > find one of the >> > > > > correct size at the Re-Store. >> > > > > >> > > > > If that didn't work out, then we would probably, >> painfully, >> > have to get the >> > > > > locksmith to do the work. >> > > > > >> > > > > However, with a 3-4 week lead time for the locksmith to >> order >> > the plate, >> > > > > that will push us far past the beginning of December for >> us to >> > have a >> > > > > working interior door. >> > > > > >> > > > > Honestly, I think it's time to start cutting keys so we >> can >> > use the >> > > > > existing door as is. It'll be cheaper than having the >> work >> > professionally >> > > > > done on the door, and it can be done much more quickly, >> so we >> > can continue >> > > > > to search for a replacement door at our leisure. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM, R Rodd >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Attached is the quote I received from Noble after >> their >> > visit >> > > > > > yesterday. I'm not sure if it was discussed at the >> meeting >> > last night butI assume it >> > > > > > was mentioned so I'm not providing the context and >> > background that Colin >> > > > > > can speak to if there are any questions. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Action items at this point, I think, would be input >> from >> > members and a Go >> > > > > > | No-Go from exec. Due to the older design and >> construction >> > of the door necessitating >> > > > > > a unique handset the quote is about 60% higher than I >> was >> > expecting >> > > > > > initially, before meeting with the locksmith yesterday. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > If it is a Go from exec, probably someone with a key >> should >> > schedule a >> > > > > > time for the work. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > - Richard >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ** >> > > > > > >> > > > > > *From:* Frank Senden [mailto:[email protected] >> ] >> > > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 2012 November 21 7:50 >> > > > > > *To:* [email protected] >> > > > > > *Subject:* Noble Locksmith Quote**** >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ** ** >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Richard,**** >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Please see Quote 12-619.**** >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ** ** >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sincerely,**** >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Frank Senden**** >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Noble Locksmith Ltd.**** >> > > > > > >> > > > > 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