-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It's been locked before, I had to come down to unlock it. I don't know who locked it, though, I haven't.
Ron On 2012-11-21 22:12, Justin Lacko wrote: > I should mention there's a deadbolt, but I'm not sure of the status of > that... maybe Colin can speak to whether we're using it or not? > > > On 21 November 2012 22:07, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Please tell me about this mythical key that people want copies of. > > > > We aren't allowed to make keys of the front door beyond the few we've made > > - landlord's rule. That door is unlocked M-F 9-5. We do not possess a key > > for the upstairs suite door which is why we're looking into getting it > > replaced. So please tell me about the magical key that will open the doors. > > > > </sarcasm> > > > > > > On 21 November 2012 22:00, Dave Curry <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I don't recall Colin saying that we shouldn't do temporary keys for > >> people. If people want to pay the money for keys that are going to be > >> useless once the changeover is done, why are we not doing this? It's not > >> SkullSpace funds that we're talking about, it's whatever given member wants > >> to shell out the money for it. If it's not an inconvenience for a > >> key-bearer to come out at any hour to let people in, why is it one to > >> arrange to bring them to get a key cut? > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:00:38PM -0600, Jay Smith wrote: > >> > "It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting everyone else > >> should > >> > just be patient." > >> > > >> > I don't appreciate the ad hominem attack that you're implying. > >> > > >> > Ask, don't tell, the people doing the work how you might be able to > >> help. > >> > They've been working on this for the last while and know what needs > >> to be > >> > done. They also know what can't and shouldn't be done. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting everyone else > >> should > >> > just be patient. > >> > > >> > The rest of us who would prefer not to be locked out have made a > >> viable > >> > suggestion and clearly indicated we will pay the expense of it > >> > ourselves. It is purely opt-in, and won't cost anyone a penny if > >> they > >> > choose not to participate in it. > >> > > >> > So why are we being told we shouldn't/can't implement it? Isn't > >> the > >> > whole point of a do-ocracy that if you care enough about > >> something, you > >> > can and should do (and fund) it yourself? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > In case I haven't made myself clear, I deeply appreciate all the > >> work > >> > that Justin and Colin and Rich and others have put into getting > >> the new > >> > place setup. My issue is with how my concerns are being > >> denigrated and > >> > offers to help in the ways I can are sneered at and deemed > >> unnecessary. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Jeez, people need to be more patient. We're getting free work > >> from a > >> > talented guy to get this all set up. WE WILL GET IT FIGURED OUT. > >> > PLEASE EXCUSE THE DOWNTIME/MODIFIED HOURS! > >> > I measured the door yesterday, Colin is measuring the old space > >> doors > >> > tonight I think... we'll get this figured out! > >> > > >> > On 21 November 2012 14:06, Ian E. Trump <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > This is a good email with wise words. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay > >> Smith > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 14:04 > >> > > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks Richard! And thank you Colin for all the work you've > >> put in > >> > at this space and the last one. I'm personally impressed by the > >> > speed at which Colin's set things up and appreciate the work > >> he's > >> > put in. (I still have no idea how he managed to neatly install > >> those > >> > wires while seemingly leaving the door-frame untouched) > >> > > >> > In the meantime, just a gentle reminder that if you want the > >> access > >> > issue to be resolved quicker, you're best approach is to take > >> Colin > >> > up on the request for help that he made at the last meeting. > >> > > >> > That said, going by some of the comments I've heard off-list > >> and on > >> > this mailing list, I think some people are under the > >> impression that > >> > Colin (and everybody else working on the doors) is SkullSpace's > >> > bitch. This is not the case. He's doing this for no other > >> reason > >> > than because he wants to. Respect his work as such. > >> > > >> > We are a community of people who actually like doing things (a > >> > do-ocracy if you will). People who like doing things often > >> don't > >> > appreciate people who just criticize their work and ask them > >> to do > >> > more things. We have outright lost good people on account of > >> this > >> > behavior and have de-motivated several others. > >> > > >> > Please, be mindful of how you treat the people doing things to > >> help > >> > the space. I know all of us, myself included, can find ways to > >> do > >> > better. > >> > > >> > Do: > >> > - Ask how you can help > >> > - Ask to do it yourself > >> > - Give constructive advice and suggestions > >> > - Be thankful for the people actively working to make the space > >> > better > >> > > >> > Don't: > >> > - Bitch > >> > - Insult > >> > - Give others more work to do > >> > - Micromanage the people actively working to make the space > >> better > >> > > >> > No member has the right to boss around other members. Even us > >> > directors try to avoid such behavior whenever possible. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > I will happy pay to have my own key cut and whatever surcharge > >> you > >> > deem necessary for the "inconvenience". > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I find being locked out to be an inconvenience. If Colin can > >> just > >> > get the fobs working on the outside door, I don't see what the > >> issue > >> > is with cutting keys that will automatically expire if/when the > >> > interior lock gets changed. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Ron <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> > Hash: SHA1 > >> > > >> > As a last option, let's look at that. As a first option, let's > >> look > >> > at > >> > something easier/better. :) > >> > > >> > Ron > >> > > >> > On 2012-11-21 12:45, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > >> > > We'd be paying, so that answers that. Take a last-call order > >> now > >> > and at Tuesday's meeting, then get that many made. Not every > >> member > >> > > comes often enough to need a key, so those who specifically > >> need > >> > it (those who always come outside of Tuesdays, Fridays, and > >> > > Hackathons) enough to want to pay a few dollars for rental > >> can buy > >> > theirs. (Make it clear that we don't own our key.) > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Ron > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:15 PM > >> > > To: [email protected] > >> > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith Quote > >> > > > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> > > Hash: SHA1 > >> > > > >> > > When I had the directors' keys cut, they were $3 each. Other > >> > places > >> > > might be cheaper. According to a list I just saw, we have 42 > >> > members, > >> > > which means $126 to cut keys for everybody. Our budget for > >> this is > >> > > currently about $0. I paid out of my own pocket for the > >> directors' > >> > keys > >> > > (10 keys =~ $35 after tax). > >> > > > >> > > We could do it on-demand, if we needed to, but that's a lot > >> of > >> > extra > >> > > work for somebody, plus getting the keys back after - at > >> Adelaide, > >> > we > >> > > never did get everybody's keys back, which proves that people > >> > can't be > >> > > trusted with keys (or to maintain lists of who has keys :) ). > >> > > > >> > > I'd rather go with the easier and cheaper solutions first, if > >> > possible, > >> > > before getting more complicated/expensive. > >> > > > >> > > Ron > >> > > > >> > > On 2012-11-21 12:06, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > >> > > > How much would it cost to cut a key, really? I'd > >> personally pay > >> > a few dollars to rent a newly-cut key until a fob system is > >> put in > >> > > > place. > >> > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > From: Ron > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:47 AM > >> > > > To: [email protected] > >> > > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble Locksmith > >> Quote > >> > > > > >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> > > > Hash: SHA1 > >> > > > > >> > > > As a stopgat measure, we have a few choices: > >> > > > - - Find a door that will fit and replace our door with it > >> > > > - - Cut keys for the internal door, get the fob hooked up > >> to the > >> > external > >> > > > - - Put a lockbox inside and put a key in the lockbox > >> > > > > >> > > > I don't know which is the most possible/cheap, but let's > >> wait > >> > till > >> > > > Justin measures the sksp1 doors before we make any > >> decisions. > >> > > > > >> > > > Ron > >> > > > > >> > > > On 2012-11-21 11:37, Roswyne wrote: > >> > > > > The "decision" at the meeting was to see if we could > >> simply > >> > replace the > >> > > > > door instead of installing a lock guard. Justin was > >> going to > >> > see if any of > >> > > > > the doors we installed at SkSp1 would work, or if he > >> could > >> > find one of the > >> > > > > correct size at the Re-Store. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > If that didn't work out, then we would probably, > >> painfully, > >> > have to get the > >> > > > > locksmith to do the work. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > However, with a 3-4 week lead time for the locksmith to > >> order > >> > the plate, > >> > > > > that will push us far past the beginning of December for > >> us to > >> > have a > >> > > > > working interior door. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Honestly, I think it's time to start cutting keys so we > >> can > >> > use the > >> > > > > existing door as is. It'll be cheaper than having the > >> work > >> > professionally > >> > > > > done on the door, and it can be done much more quickly, > >> so we > >> > can continue > >> > > > > to search for a replacement door at our leisure. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM, R Rodd > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Attached is the quote I received from Noble after > >> their > >> > visit > >> > > > > > yesterday. I'm not sure if it was discussed at the > >> meeting > >> > last night butI assume it > >> > > > > > was mentioned so I'm not providing the context and > >> > background that Colin > >> > > > > > can speak to if there are any questions. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Action items at this point, I think, would be input > >> from > >> > members and a Go > >> > > > > > | No-Go from exec. Due to the older design and > >> construction > >> > of the door necessitating > >> > > > > > a unique handset the quote is about 60% higher than I > >> was > >> > expecting > >> > > > > > initially, before meeting with the locksmith yesterday. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > If it is a Go from exec, probably someone with a key > >> should > >> > schedule a > >> > > > > > time for the work. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Richard > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > ** > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > *From:* Frank Senden [mailto:[email protected] > >> ] > >> > > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 2012 November 21 7:50 > >> > > > > > *To:* [email protected] > >> > > > > > *Subject:* Noble Locksmith Quote**** > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > ** ** > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Richard,**** > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Please see Quote 12-619.**** > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > ** ** > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sincerely,**** > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Frank Senden**** > >> 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