LCHBQLKEHBCKEHBQKEHBFWEQKF HOW DARE YOOUUUUUU@UE!#R{@#)*RY@${)*TY$:G BWR:VOUWVG...Heh, yeah. I tried, really I did. *shakes head* On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:30:29PM -0600, Jeremy Hiebert wrote: > "I will try to keep this civil..." Sounds like you neglected that part. > Only lightening the mood. Don't blow up at me. :) > We don't really "have possession" of the new space until the first of > December -> food for thought. If it makes you feel better, treat it as > such. > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Dave Curry <[email protected]> wrote: > > I will try to keep this civil, but reading this thread has me upset, and > your response here is not helping. > > Set the lockbox up at Adelaide or something. Or hide it in a cookie jar. > I don't fucking care. Right now we have a member base of over 40 people > and a total of what, 5 people who have 24/7 access? > > This probably wouldn't be such a sore point if not for the repeated > "It'll be fine, don't worry!". If you said at the start you were > expecting a transition period before everyone would have full access > again, fine. If you had said "It'll be at least 2 or 3 weeks before we > can get everyone full access." then fine. But you went ahead with a huge > move (Which I'm guilty of assisting in) putting our assets in the new > location before you could even _begin_ to offer a timeframe for people > to expect access! If people want to throw money in to expedite this, > stop wasting all of our time looking for the cheap/perfect solution and > _get this done_. > > And before you come back with "If you're so smart/gung ho/whatever why > don't you come back with a solution?", I will fucking do it. I will step > up. > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:07:36PM -0600, Justin Lacko wrote: > > Please tell me about this mythical key that people want copies of. > > We aren't allowed to make keys of the front door beyond the few > we've made > > - landlord's rule. That door is unlocked M-F 9-5. We do not possess > a key > > for the upstairs suite door which is why we're looking into getting > it > > replaced. So please tell me about the magical key that will open > the > > doors. > > </sarcasm> > > > > On 21 November 2012 22:00, Dave Curry <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't recall Colin saying that we shouldn't do temporary keys > for > > people. If people want to pay the money for keys that are going > to be > > useless once the changeover is done, why are we not doing this? > It's not > > SkullSpace funds that we're talking about, it's whatever given > member > > wants to shell out the money for it. If it's not an inconvenience > for a > > key-bearer to come out at any hour to let people in, why is it > one to > > arrange to bring them to get a key cut? > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:00:38PM -0600, Jay Smith wrote: > > > A A "It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting > everyone else > > should > > > A A just be patient." > > > > > > A A I don't appreciate the ad hominem attack that you're > implying. > > > > > > A A Ask, don't tell, the people doing the work how you might > be able > > to help. > > > A A They've been working on this for the last while and know > what > > needs to be > > > A A done. They also know what can't and shouldn't be done. > > > > > > A A On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Roswyne > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > A A A It's funny how the people with keys are suggesting > everyone > > else should > > > A A A just be patient. > > > > > > A A A The rest of us who would prefer not to be locked out > have made > > a viable > > > A A A suggestion and clearly indicated we will pay the > expense of it > > > A A A ourselves. A It is purely opt-in, and won't cost anyone > a > > penny if they > > > A A A choose not to participate in it. > > > > > > A A A So why are we being told we shouldn't/can't implement > it? > > A Isn't the > > > A A A whole point of a do-ocracy that if you care enough > about > > something, you > > > A A A can and should do (and fund) it yourself? > > > > > > > > > > > > A A A In case I haven't made myself clear, I deeply > appreciate all > > the work > > > A A A that Justin and Colin and Rich and others have put into > > getting the new > > > A A A place setup. A My issue is with how my concerns are > being > > denigrated and > > > A A A offers to help in the ways I can are sneered at and > deemed > > unnecessary. > > > > > > > > > A A A On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Justin Lacko > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A A A A Jeez, people need to be more patient. We're getting > free > > work from a > > > A A A A talented guy to get this all set up. WE WILL GET IT > FIGURED > > OUT. > > > A A A A PLEASE EXCUSE THE DOWNTIME/MODIFIED HOURS! > > > A A A A I measured the door yesterday, Colin is measuring > the old > > space doors > > > A A A A tonight I think... we'll get this figured out! > > > > > > A A A A On 21 November 2012 14:06, Ian E. Trump > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A A A A A This is a good email with wise words. > > > > > > > > > > > > A A A A A From: [email protected] > > > A A A A A [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > > Of Jay Smith > > > A A A A A Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 14:04 > > > > > > A A A A A To: [email protected] > > > A A A A A Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble > Locksmith > > Quote > > > > > > > > > > > > A A A A A Thanks Richard! And thank you Colin for all the > work > > you've put in > > > A A A A A at this space and the last one. I'm personally > impressed > > by the > > > A A A A A speed at which Colin's set things up and > appreciate the > > work he's > > > A A A A A put in. (I still have no idea how he managed to > neatly > > install those > > > A A A A A wires while seemingly leaving the door-frame > untouched) > > > > > > A A A A A In the meantime, just a gentle reminder that if > you want > > the access > > > A A A A A issue to be resolved quicker, you're best > approach is to > > take Colin > > > A A A A A up on the request for help that he made at the > last > > meeting. > > > > > > A A A A A That said, going by some of the comments I've > heard > > off-list and on > > > A A A A A this mailing list, I think some people are under > the > > impression that > > > A A A A A Colin (and everybody else working on the doors) > is > > SkullSpace's > > > A A A A A bitch. This is not the case. He's doing this for > no > > other reason > > > A A A A A than because he wants to. Respect his work as > such. > > > > > > A A A A A We are a community of people who actually like > doing > > things (a > > > A A A A A do-ocracy if you will). People who like doing > things > > often don't > > > A A A A A appreciate people who just criticize their work > and ask > > them to do > > > A A A A A more things. We have outright lost good people on > > account of this > > > A A A A A behavior and have de-motivated several others. > > > > > > A A A A A Please, be mindful of how you treat the people > doing > > things to help > > > A A A A A the space. I know all of us, myself included, can > find > > ways to do > > > A A A A A better. > > > > > > A A A A A Do: > > > A A A A A - Ask how you can help > > > A A A A A - Ask to do it yourself > > > A A A A A - Give constructive advice and suggestions > > > A A A A A - Be thankful for the people actively working to > make > > the space > > > A A A A A better > > > > > > A A A A A Don't: > > > A A A A A - Bitch > > > A A A A A - Insult > > > A A A A A - Give others more work to do > > > A A A A A - Micromanage the people actively working to make > the > > space better > > > > > > A A A A A No member has the right to boss around other > members. > > Even us > > > A A A A A directors try to avoid such behavior whenever > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > A A A A A On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Roswyne > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A A A A A I will happy pay to have my own key cut and > whatever > > surcharge you > > > A A A A A deem necessary for the "inconvenience". > > > > > > > > > > > > A A A A A I find being locked out to be an inconvenience. A > If > > Colin can just > > > A A A A A get the fobs working on the outside door, I don't > see > > what the issue > > > A A A A A is with cutting keys that will automatically > expire > > if/when the > > > A A A A A interior lock gets changed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A A A A A On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Ron > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A A A A A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > A A A A A Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > A A A A A As a last option, let's look at that. As a first > option, > > let's look > > > A A A A A at > > > A A A A A something easier/better. :) > > > > > > A A A A A Ron > > > > > > A A A A A On 2012-11-21 12:45, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > > > A A A A A > We'd be paying, so that answers that. Take a > last-call > > order now > > > A A A A A and at Tuesday's meeting, then get that many > made. Not > > every member > > > A A A A A > comes often enough to need a key, so those who > > specifically need > > > A A A A A it (those who always come outside of Tuesdays, > Fridays, > > and > > > A A A A A > Hackathons) enough to want to pay a few dollars > for > > rental can buy > > > A A A A A theirs. (Make it clear that we don't own our > key.) > > > A A A A A > > > > A A A A A > -----Original Message----- > > > A A A A A > From: Ron > > > A A A A A > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:15 PM > > > A A A A A > To: [email protected] > > > A A A A A > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble > Locksmith > > Quote > > > A A A A A > > > > A A A A A > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > A A A A A > Hash: SHA1 > > > A A A A A > > > > A A A A A > When I had the directors' keys cut, they were > $3 each. > > Other > > > A A A A A places > > > A A A A A > might be cheaper. According to a list I just > saw, we > > have 42 > > > A A A A A members, > > > A A A A A > which means $126 to cut keys for everybody. Our > budget > > for this is > > > A A A A A > currently about $0. I paid out of my own pocket > for > > the directors' > > > A A A A A keys > > > A A A A A > (10 keys =~ $35 after tax). > > > A A A A A > > > > A A A A A > We could do it on-demand, if we needed to, but > that's > > a lot of > > > A A A A A extra > > > A A A A A > work for somebody, plus getting the keys back > after - > > at Adelaide, > > > A A A A A we > > > A A A A A > never did get everybody's keys back, which > proves that > > people > > > A A A A A can't be > > > A A A A A > trusted with keys (or to maintain lists of who > has > > keys :) ). > > > A A A A A > > > > A A A A A > I'd rather go with the easier and cheaper > solutions > > first, if > > > A A A A A possible, > > > A A A A A > before getting more complicated/expensive. > > > A A A A A > > > > A A A A A > Ron > > > A A A A A > > > > A A A A A > On 2012-11-21 12:06, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > > > A A A A A > > How much would it cost to cut a key, really? > I'd > > personally pay > > > A A A A A a few dollars to rent a newly-cut key until a fob > system > > is put in > > > A A A A A > > place. > > > A A A A A > > > > > A A A A A > > -----Original Message----- > > > A A A A A > > From: Ron > > > A A A A A > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:47 AM > > > A A A A A > > To: [email protected] > > > A A A A A > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Fwd: Noble > > Locksmith Quote > > > A A A A A > > > > > A A A A A > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > A A A A A > > Hash: SHA1 > > > A A A A A > > > > > A A A A A > > As a stopgat measure, we have a few choices: > > > A A A A A > > - - Find a door that will fit and replace our > door > > with it > > > A A A A A > > - - Cut keys for the internal door, get the > fob > > hooked up to the > > > A A A A A external > > > A A A A A > > - - Put a lockbox inside and put a key in the > > lockbox > > > A A A A A > > > > > A A A A A > > I don't know which is the most > possible/cheap, but > > let's wait > > > A A A A A till > > > A A A A A > > Justin measures the sksp1 doors before we > make any > > decisions. > > > A A A A A > > > > > A A A A A > > Ron > > > A A A A A > > > > > A A A A A > > On 2012-11-21 11:37, Roswyne wrote: > > > A A A A A > > > The "decision" at the meeting was to see if > we > > could simply > > > A A A A A replace the > > > A A A A A > > > door instead of installing a lock guard. A > Justin > > was going to > > > A A A A A see if any of > > > A A A A A > > > the doors we installed at SkSp1 would work, > or if > > he could > > > A A A A A find one of the > > > A A A A A > > > correct size at the Re-Store. > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > If that didn't work out, then we would > probably, > > painfully, > > > A A A A A have to get the > > > A A A A A > > > locksmith to do the work. > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > However, with a 3-4 week lead time for the > > locksmith to order > > > A A A A A the plate, > > > A A A A A > > > that will push us far past the beginning of > > December for us to > > > A A A A A have a > > > A A A A A > > > working interior door. > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > Honestly, I think it's time to start > cutting keys > > so we can > > > A A A A A use the > > > A A A A A > > > existing door as is. A It'll be cheaper > than > > having the work > > > A A A A A professionally > > > A A A A A > > > done on the door, and it can be done much > more > > quickly, so we > > > A A A A A can continue > > > A A A A A > > > to search for a replacement door at our > leisure. > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM, R Rodd > > > A A A A A <[email protected]> wrote: > > > A A A A A > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > A Attached is the quote I received from > Noble > > after their > > > A A A A A visit > > > A A A A A > > > > yesterday. A I'm not sure if it was > discussed at > > the meeting > > > A A A A A last night butI assume it > > > A A A A A > > > > was mentioned so I'm not providing the > context > > and > > > A A A A A background that Colin > > > A A A A A > > > > can speak to if there are any questions. > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > Action items at this point, I think, > would be > > input from > > > A A A A A members and a Go > > > A A A A A > > > > | No-Go from exec. A Due to the older > design and > > construction > > > A A A A A of the door necessitating > > > A A A A A > > > > a unique handset the quote is about 60% > higher > > than I was > > > A A A A A expecting > > > A A A A A > > > > initially, before meeting with the > locksmith > > yesterday. > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > If it is a Go from exec, probably someone > with a > > key should > > > A A A A A schedule a > > > A A A A A > > > > time for the work. > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > A - Richard > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > A ** > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > *From:* Frank Senden > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > A A A A A > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 2012 November 21 7:50 > > > A A A A A > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > A A A A A > > > > *Subject:* Noble Locksmith Quote**** > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A A A > > > > ** ** > > > A A A A A > > > > > > > A A A 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