I purchased one back in May. I am waiting for my delivery patiently.

It is supposed to be very reasonable when it comes to electricity.

Ian



-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-boun...@lists.skullspace.ca 
[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.skullspace.ca] On Behalf Of Mark Jenkins
Sent: June-24-13 5:41 PM
To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca
Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] anyone want to risk-pool a BFL miner?

On 06/24/13 16:38, Jeff Coleman wrote:
> Just as a caution on this--most of those calculators are useless for 
> real-world estimation.

This was worth repeating.
(as I said, "don't get giddy").


>  Difficulty is currently not only climbing but on an upward curve.

 >  Otherwise profitability for most of
 > these devices is quite likely to be negative by year-end.

It's definitely turning out to be a very fast race to the bottom.

But here's a qualitative thing to consider, the Bitcoin mining arms race has 
gone through the steps of CPU->GPU->FPGA->ASIC. By analogy, it's like going 
from clubs to crossbows to automatic rifles to tanks.

All I expect going forward is for there to be more and more tanks and better 
and better tanks, but not the disruption of nuclear tipped ICBMs (quantum 
computers?) showing up.

Returning to the quantitative, one of the geeky stats on BFL for what it's 
worth is that the current chips are made on a 65nm process.
https://products.butterflylabs.com/65nm-asic-bitcoin-mining-chip.html

I'm still willing to take the effective bet here -- that buying a Butterfly 
Labs machine now and running it for one or two years will have a positive 
return (but not super great) over that period. Maybe there will even be some 
resell value for the device at the end of that for the sentimental/collectors 
value.
(Tell that to the Beanie Babies!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hunterschwarz/how-much-beanie-babies-were-predicted-to-be-worth-vs-how-muc
)

Given that I don't doubt the performance of my credit union, the deposit 
insurance system and Canada's economic fate as a whole, I'll ultimately have to 
compare any return after the fact against a TFSA term deposit if the profits 
are really tight.

Jeff's right, for a higher risk, higher return, consider BTC itself. You can 
even lever it up 1-5x at this site if you're really bull:
https://1broker.com/?c=btcusd

Or, be a bear and take a short position on BTC/USD (equivalent to just holding 
USD if you go for 1x leverage) and earn some pretty decent interest (currently 
0.14% daily!) as compensation for putting your trust in that particular market 
maker. (that will also go to 0 as faith in the soundness of that company as a 
market maker increases)


Mark
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