badbob;386877 Wrote: 
> You're wrong. Touchscreen only inputs suck, yes I've used iphone still
> prefer hard buttons as well. Touchscreens are great if you want custom
> size, custom icons/logos but for standard controls - navigation,
> transport controls & numericals hard buttons win hands down. But if you
> need lots of buttons on the touch screen - without annoyance of
> scrolling through pages you need a large one, things like iphone are
> useless. I'd say 7" minimum for touchscreen only remote. If you're used
> Crestrons things like iphone seem like a toy.
> 
> I hate scrolling or flipping around pages to get to what I want when
> I'm in that activity already, I want major buttons available. For
> example on my 850 remote DVD "activity" has the following buttons
> without flipping pages
> 
> Volume +/-, Mute  amp
> Eject, Audio, Angle, Subs, Skip/rev chapter, Menu, Title, Info, exit,
> Up, Down, Left Right & select, Play, pause & stop, Numericals DVD
> Aspect control TV
> 4 sound modes - av processor
> Lights
> 
> Try doing that on a iphone, on one page, and being able to continue
> watch TV whilst using the touchscreen! Try using a touchscreen without
> looking at it :-) In a HT this is useful, although I understand for SB
> not so (for example always looking at the screen if using web browser
> for SB control)

I don't believe you that you can use a 26+ button remote without
looking at it.

No scrolling?? I have a small library with < 800 albums, but still...
How?
Radio stations: A few thousands... How?

BTW. I didn't talk TV/DVD! I would never use an iPhone for controlling
TV since it makes of course more sense to use the TV screen if you have
to look at it anyway. That'S a completely different animal from what we
are talking about here! When I listen to music I'm sitting at a
desk/table, on a Sofa, lying in bed, cooking, shving, you name it. No
way I want to carry around a 7" unit for that or that I want to run to
a screen.

I do agree that probably all of your "actions" above there would profit
from dedicated buttons, however _I_ would profit from still being able
to use the device.

The main advantage of the Touch screen are:
- you can scroll through lists fast, haven't seen _big_ touch screens
that do that efficiently, though. The only other useful device for this
is a scroll wheel.
- you are flexible in your layout and thus can avoid menu levels or
icons, both of which rapidly become confusing when used in excess.


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