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> 
> Jim, the volume knob acts as a volume knob by default.  If 
> you press "Select", you'll go into "Menu Mode."  The the 
> volume knob acts like an up/down menu control. If you 
> press-hold "Select" you'll go back to "Volume Mode."  If 
> you do nothing, it will go back to "Volume mode" automatically 
> after a timeout.  SO the knob which looks like it controls 
> volume will do just that, almost all of the time.

I'd like this do be controlled by software.  I have really 
no need for a volume knob on this unit, because it 
will be connected via optical and the volume will be fixed.
If this form factor is built, I'd probably pick one up for 
the bedroom, but still wouldn't use the volume knob.
Maybe I'd put one out in my garage and use the 
volume knob... ;-)

> > Jim Wrote: 
> > A better idea might be to move the display higher and 
> > place a row of these buttons (with labels) below the 
> > display window. I'd even add a couple - Brightness, Size, 
> > Shuffle, Repeat, and maybe Now Playing.  These could 
> > small round buttons - figure 8 or 10 will fit comfortably
> > beneath the display.
> > 
> > See: http://www.arcam.co.uk/images/fmj_C31_large.jpg 
> > 

Ok, now we're talking...the little buttons would be cool.  And 
small would allow the unit to stay slim.

> > The front faceplate will likely need to be taller. I think
something
> > along the lines of 3.25" to 3.75" would be ideal. The current size
in
> > the drawings looks a bit slim to me.

Isn't that in  keeping with being a "slim device" ?  I'd much prefer to

keep it skinny.  Not much reason for it to go above a 1u (maybe 2u, 
but no more - that's 3.5").

> Ok, I see what you mean on the Arcam box.  Wouldn't like it 
> to take more vertical space, though.  I would be up for a _few_ 
> more buttons, but I also like the backlighting of the functional
> icons on the buttons.  The Arcam labels are not back-lit. The 
> Arcam box has so many buttons, they had to come up with a 
> way to display them all.  We have far fewer.  Moving the 
> display off vertical center to accomodate buttons seems 
> like a big detraction.  Our VF display is larger, more prominent, 
> and much nicer looking than the Arcam display.  It's the most 
> noticable aspect of the whole box and needs to be placed 
> carefully so that other features do not detract from it.
>
> Re: backlighting in general:  On a black box, inside a dark
> entertainment center in a dimly-lit room, I think the 
> backlighting of the buttons is necessary.  With only two 
> buttons (select and left-righttoggle), they would not 
> need back-lit icons; perhaps only back-lit outlining, like 
> the volume knob.

Outlining all the small buttons would be cool.

How about, if you keep the number of buttons/knobs like in this one:

http://audiofi.dudehost.com/other/squeezeboxtextured.gif 

and doubling the width of the display?  

And rather than "phone" for headphones, a simple headphone 
icon above the jack would be sufficient.

Paul


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