On Thu, 4 May 2006 06:22:32 -0700, "slimpy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
> peter Wrote: 
> > 
> > Isn't the confusion due to the fact that most DSL/Cable 'modems' are
> > actually NAT routers themselves these days? The price difference
> > between
> > pure modems and modem-router is negligable IMXP.
> > 
> > Perhaps it's wiser to work from that situation...
> > 
> Not at all. You can use switches and hubs directly connected to your

Of course you can. But the point of a basic network setup page is use
the most common situation as a starting point. I don't know anyone who
doesn't use NAT on his home network. I used to run 4 IP numbers over an
analog leased line to my university in the past, but I don't think it
would be a good idea to include such a setup in the Wiki.

> modem. In that case every device is directly connected to the WAN
> (internet) and needs a public IP address assigned by the ISP's DHCP
> server. You merely extend the WAN but you don't build your own network.
> >From a security standpoint this is the least desirable solution. All of
> your devices can be seen and contacted to form anywhere in the
> internet. This setup is basically the same as having each device
> connected with its own modem. 
> If you plan your own private network you should do so without even
> thinking about your internet connection. Your network is an independant
> entity that does not rely on any connection to the outside world to work
> properly. Think about the hardware you need in an generic, abstract way.
> You can decide later about manufacturers and models. 
> Here's what you need:
> - something to connect the network cables form your devices together: a
> switch or hub
> - if you have wireless devices: an access point for wireless
> - ethernet cable to connect your devices
> - if you want dynamic IP assignment: a DHCP server
> Now that we have an abstract private network we can consider the
> internet connection. The internet is nothing more than somebody else's
> private network: We need to connect two different networks. We
> therefore need a router to route traffic from one network to the
> other.
> What about the modem? The modem is only used to do signal "transcoding"
> on a low level. Basically to connect ethernet to copper/coax cabling. It
> has nothing to do with TCP/IP. The modem is never part of your private
> network, even if it's physically on your property! In short: As long as
> the modem is the device closest to the wall socket you're fine.
> Finally when we want to buy the actual hardware there are products that
> integrate some or all of the above generic devices into one case. If you
> see something like a wireless modem router with integrated DHCP and 4
> LAN ports it simply means that there are 5 devices in one case: a
> wireless access point, cable/DSL modem, router, DHCP server and 4-port
> switch/hub.
> 
> Oops, this became a bit long winded. Well it might be helpful for
> somebody someday. 

Well, yes. If you want to make it seem difficult ;)

Regards,
Peter
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