MrSinatra;131530 Wrote: > the problem with your argument is: > > 1. Slim HOSTS the website the forum is, and reads the forum, and posts > to it.
Sorry, I don't see the relevance of this. I used to own an audiotron. Voyetra, the people who made the audiotron, ran a forum for enthusiasts. Here you go, here's some disk space and a forum to talk amongst yourselfs. It was very clear, as it is very clear here, that this is not the official support channel. Some Slim people, the wrong people, as I pointed out, not the support staff, read the forums. It's still fundamentally the wrong place to find support. > 2. The OP directed his comments to the people at slim specifically, but > obviously wanted others to see them, for reasons which are his own, but > not by necessity illegitimate. He also provided a diagnosis, and a slur. As I will explain later, his diagnosis was incorrect and his slur uncalled for. > 3. he is totally free to post his comments, regardless of whatever they > may be, to anyone he wants... he doesn't have to fulfill your > expectations as to what is "allowed" content and what is not. I see. So the OP, by virtue of being OP, is allowed to say anything, and the people in this forum, who have helped hundreds, perhaps thousands of friendly people here, are not allowed to object to trolls? How come he's allowed to say anything he wants and we aren't? How come KDF doesn't get the same freedom to say what's on his mind as the OP did? Doesn't this seem just a teeny tiny bit hypocritical to you? > 4. just to put a FINE point on what i am saying: > > no one, repeat, NO ONE would buy the hardware, if it didn't have > software to make it work. > are you with me so far??? Yes. But you've got the wrong fine point, and you're not yet with the program. Slimserver is available for download before you buy. You can try it all out, all of it, including a Squeezebox emulator, before you buy. If you don't like the scan time, if you find it all that onerous (15 minutes on my system is not onerous, but the OP had a different experience), you could make that choice and not buy. It's the ultimate kick the tires before you buy policy. After that, there's a 30 day money back no questions asked policy. After that, in fact, Slim has been very generous whenever I've had a problem, in a number of cases long after the 30 days were up. After that, the experience of the OP was atypical. Vastly atypical, as my several postings about performance pointed out. So we asked him to see what was different about his system, to post logs, so we could figure it out. I have some experience poking around in the scanning section, and so do quite a few others here, so we might have been able to steer him in the right direction towards a solution. > so when someone has a complaint about SS, its a stupid cop out to say > the complaint should be ignored b/c SS itself is free. I never said the complaint should be ignored. Neiter, as I recall, did KDF. In fact, KDF asked 3 times to see the logs. If we can't see the diagnostic information, the complaint pretty much HAS to be ignored, because there's no information to go on. > i say anyone who can't see that is willfully blind. My point exactly. Where in the whole wide world can you find someone who can fix software by telepathy? Just whine at me for a while, insult me and call me an intern, and from the sound of your voice I can tell you that you entered the wrong directory name for the music folder. It ain't gonna happen. Now, about the scanning. My background is in performance measurement and analysis. Something like 6 to 9 months ago, I did some measurements of the scanning code. Dan had done some different measurements, from a different perspective (I think he did his first, but I didn't find out about them until I produced my results). I had also written some code, in a different language, but still an interpreted one, to do much the same job. My code was more than half an order of magnitude faster. So I measured the scanning code. The part of the scanner that reads the MP3s (I only looked at the MP3 case) is only about 20% of the work. The rest of the time is taken up in the database code. The database is another open source package, written by some other people. It's a simple minded database package, easy to use, but confined to a single user at a time, and it doesn't scale well to larger datasets. So it's not really Slims code that is taking the time. At least for 6.2, the bottleneck is the database. So the major improvements being worked on and prepared for 6.5 this fall are: to move to a separate thread for scanning, so that long scan delays won't effect music quality or cause interruptions, to move to a more sophisticated database that doesn't die when presented with large amounts of data. Also, the scanning thread becomes, to the database, a separate user, so it had to be a multi-user database. Despite all that, 8,000 to 10,000 tracks should take about 15 minutes on modern hardware. The fact that it took an order of magnitude longer means that something else was going very badly wrong. I would have wanted to see the scan and store timestamps, to see where the time was going, and then to see if either the database was somehow accidentally detuned, or if there was some problem with the file structure of the music folder. But the OP said, essentially, he wasn't asking for help. So what was he hoping for, other than upsetting people? -- Michaelwagner ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26350 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
