erland;220395 Wrote: 
> I'm guessing that you have already tried the "Tags" (Dynamic Tags) menu
Kinda.  I have spent some time with these before, and have just done
another hour.  The problem is that I rarely know what to expect, and
when it doesn't do what I expect, I have no idea what to do.  I find
these quite difficult to use (and I am not stupid and far from
tech-averse!).

Current status: it's giving me an error.  I'll leave it to do a full
rescan now I've installed the latest versions of custom scan/browse and
see what happens.  I'll post to a separate thread if necessary.

erland;220395 Wrote: 
> Now, some questions regarding your proposal:
> ===========================================
> 1. 
> Are we just talking about a web based interface, or do you also want a
> SqueezeBox interface towards the browsing mechanism ?
> Or would the "Tags" menu in the current state be good enough for the
> SqueezeBo interface ?
> 
> 2.
> Do you have any specific skin in mind for the web interface, or would
> default + Fishbone be good enough ?
> Is Nokia770/Touch skin also a requirement ?
> 
> 3.
> Are we just talking about "browsing" or do you also need an interface
> for editing the different tags/values for a specific song ? 
> Or would it be good enough to store the tags/values in tags in the
> music files using some of the standard tagging applications available
> ?
> 
> 4.
> Are we just talking about a way to browse your own music by the
> tags/values you have set, or do you want connection to some sort of
> central music database where all users can retrieve tags for their
> music ? Like LastFM/Musicbrainz ?
> 
> 5.
> When I compare the current Custom Browse/Custom Scan "Tags" menu with
> the Fortuna system, the big different is that you will see a lot less
> information simultaneously on the screen with the "Tags" menu and it
> also requires a few more clicks to get what you want. Is this the same
> differences you are seeing or am I missing some major point in your
> solution ?

1: the current SB interface is fine - it's hard enough to see anyway,
with my 36 year-old eyes!  So it's web only for me.

2: default and fishbone is fine.  I never use Nokia770 - I'm quite
happy with rather boring-looking lists, as long as they show what I
want :)

3: standard tagging programs are fine - I spend far too long in
MP3Tag!

4: I've given up with last.fm - everything classical has such a random
name, even when you try to be MusicBrainz compliant.  Just browsing my
own music is fine, indeed all I am looking for.

5: the key advantage of the fortuna system is seeing the result of your
filters immediately.  It's just nicely laid out and allows you to find
things when you're not looking for them - the key to a good browse
system!

erland;220395 Wrote: 
> It would be great to get a discussion about a browsing mechanism like
> this. For people with a small/medium large library with only Pop/Rock
> music the current standard SlimServer browsing mechanism probably works
> quite good. But I've stared to see that for people with classical music,
> the current SlimServer way of browsing doesn't really work. My feeling
> so far is that the main problem is that the current browse menus is to
> static, the result is that you need to know where the thing you are
> looking for is before you start to browse for it. Another problem is
> that the current menu structure is to flat for a large library with
> classical music. The conflict is that the flat menu structure is also
> great for people with small Pop/Rock libraries, since it makes it easy
> and fast for them to find things.

Exactly right.  I like to browse with no end in mind - I might fancy
baroque chamber music, say, or modern orchestral.  My classical library
is large and getting bigger (multisets of complete symphonies of XYZ are
so cheap!), so I need to manage it better.  I'm happy to spend lots of
time tagging, but I am no programmer...

Adam


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