Matthew, > I think we could have avoided a lot of bad feeling by gently pointing everyone to that (positive) document,
Are you suggesting a CoC for using the CoC? ;) More seriously, do you have an example of what you are talking about? From where I'm sitting, the CoC is completely non-threatening unless you have plans to engage in unprofessional behaviour. Vigorous discussion and insulting others' work are very different things. From: Matthew Brett <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply: Matthew Brett <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Date: 6 May 2016 at 4:01:13 AM To: Software Carpentry Discussion <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Subject: [Discuss] Email etiquette and the code of conduct Hi, > > Some of you might have seen that the "SWC for high school students" > thread turning into a discussion of email etiquette and the code of > conduct. Ted Hart kindly suggested we move that discussion over to > it's own thread. > > I think the overall question was whether the tone and language of the > code of conduct was the right one to encourage an open and welcoming > community. > > Here was the last email on that thread, where Spaced Girl was arguing > that the code of conduct had no practical value for improving the > actual atmosphere on the list, and I replied: > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Spaced Girl > <[email protected]> wrote: > > How about SC just do away with the whole code of conduct in general? It's > a > theoretical piece of shit and has no practical value. I say this > especially > after all the arguing that's transpired over the past 24 hours and my > general disgust with some of the posting of instructors here...[very few > on > the planet but me would notice or care]. > > Overall, think going gentler on students/new individuals anywhere is the > only acceptable approach to teaching/living. The problem with things like > codes of conduct or talk of politeness or respect is how couched in highly > normative/exclusive/dominant social ideas they are. > > From what I've noticed; this is a very diverse group compared to most > academic related places and makes for all sorts of alien talk. Learning to > fight/discuss through our differences in a much more productive approach > than going fascist on everything....even if this is a company > [authoritative > space]. > > > Er ... I tend to agree with you about the code of conduct and I > strongly agree that allowing space for vigorous discussion is > essential. > > I would say though, that it appears that the "code of conduct" issue > has become extremely sensitive, with very strong feelings from all > sides. > > So, in order to avoid pressing buttons, I was hoping to divert away > from whether the CoC is good or not, to writing another document that > everyone can agree on, that states in simple language what kind of > community we'd like to see, in positive rather than negative terms. > Maybe then we wouldn't have to fight about the CoC. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.software-carpentry.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.software-carpentry.org >
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