I would try the experiment while using "Hide Others" under the windows menu
to see if that makes any difference whatsoever.
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From: "Scott Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: a navigation experiment for you
Ok, I did exactly what you said accept I had to use command n to open new
windows. I opened two sites and after closing the last one, VO began
reading your message, but yet I was still in Safari. This is certainly a
bug as it should not read anything other than the name of the app I'm in.
I knew I wasn't back in mail because navigating gave me the ding sound
and once I hit command q I was back in mail. This is similar to what I am
experencing accept at times I would lets say open an app, get a dialog
box on the screen, do what I need and upon clicking on ok, but flipped
into mail etc. and I'd have to use command tab to take me back to the app
I was originally in.
If you plan to submit as a bug, great, I have a few other items I'll be
sending in soon. I hope Apple can correct some of this.
tnx
Scott
On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Addressing your comment about not being in the app you were in, and
having to tab back to it, I've discovered that vo will sometimes read
the title of a window (say safari) when I've closed the last window in
another app (say text edit) I don't know why it does this, and for the
longest time, I thought it had switched to safari from text edit (or to
finder from safari) However, what I've since learned is that neither vo
nor the mac has switched apps, only that vo says it has. I can
replicate this behavior every time now.
Go into finder, and launch safari. Open a couple windows, (command- l to
go to different sites) Then command-w to close the windows you've
created. After the last browser window closes, vo will happily state
finder, and read your sidebar, or column mode, or whatever you've got
open. However, another command-l opens your open url box just as you
would expect it to. So, what is happening, is that the app isn't
changing, only vo is getting confused, and reading the app behind the
one you're actually in. I'm guessing this is a result of the front most
window going blank (as safari does when all windows are closed, or mail
if you command- w from the message selection window) It's not really a
problem once you know what's happening, but it did throw me off for a
while, and cause me to try switching back to apps I was still in. Has
anyone else experienced this, and Scott, is this what you're
experiencing? If it is, and others can verify this, let me know, and
I'll post a bug report for apple, if it's just me, then I'll dig more to
see if I can fix it, it could be my version of 10.4.4, since I'm still
using ver 8G31, and not the official release, it's possible it got fixed
before the final release if nobody else is having this problem.
However, it sounds like what Scott is having trouble with, so thought
I'd mention it.
On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
Folks, I'd like someone to try a navigation experiment for me.
If you go to Finder and put it in the icon view, can you navigate with
the regular arrow keys. If so now switch to column mode and see if you
can do the same or if you wish try the reverse. Please let me know if
you experience a loss of movement feedback. I've noticed this problem
and hasn't really tried prior to upgrading to 10.4.4 and actually I
like column view in some ways. You can use the arrow keys to expand and
clapse folders etc. no problem and in icon view it doesn't seem to work
as well. This is a little separate from my requested experiment.
Btw, while I'm on the navigation issue. It seems to me that after
upgrading to 10.4.4 there are some issues, not major show stoppers, but
annoying things. Sometimes when closing a window, I find myself no
longer in lets say Finder, I'll all the sudden be in Mail and I'll have
to command tab back to Finder.
I've also noticed in a few instances where I'll go to create a new
message in Mail, I'll actually be somewhere other than the to field and
previously I was always there.
Just curious if anyone else has experienced any of these issues.
tnx
Scott
