Yeah that is true, you can go to the dock and if Mail is running or I haven't checked when its not, but you can get mail, compose, and do a few other things without going into mail itself. I can see how that might be handy. One thing with the Mac and this applies to VO as well, there is always more than one way to do something. I know, I keep finding new things.

Scott



On Mar 6, 2006, at 4:24 PM, Cheryl Stewart wrote:

Hi Louie and all,
In regards to your post...
"Another way after the prefferances is open go to the dock and arrow up and you will find a list of all preffarnces."

This is pretty slick; thanks for sharing. Letter recognition can be used while in the menu , them pressing return on the desired selection opens that selection.
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As for arrowing in the menu,, oddly enough, one can either arrow up or down to open a menu in the Doc.

If you are new to the Mac it's important to keep in mind that the menu choices belonging to an application in the Doc change when the application is running. Even beloved iTunes can be manipulated from there without having to leave the application one is working in. May I also encourage you to really explore the Doc both when an application is running and when it is not. It's a very efficient way to quickly move around the computer..

Thanks again Louie!
Regards,
Cheryl Stewart

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On Mar 4, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Louie Most wrote:

Another way after the preferences is open go to the dock and arrow up and you will find a list of all preferences.
On Mar 4, 2006, at 1:22 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

well, to each his own. My point was that tab is there and for me for some reason, it's easier to use, less prone to error...

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On Mar 4, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Jerry Halatyn wrote:

Yes, indeed, let's try this again. Regardless of whether something starts with the same letter, it's possible to type the first two or three letters and focus jumps right to the item. For example, to get to the displays button in System Preferences, one need only table once to get into the scroll area and type d i s and the Display button is in focus. Using only the tab key, one would have to press tab anywhere from nine to twelve or more times, depending on what panes are installed in the system and which view option is selected. Again, if you know which pane you want, it's actually more efficient to type the first letter or two or even three, rather than hitting tab a dozen or more times.

Of course, to each, his own, David, but the fact of the matter is, first letter navigation is more efficient both timewise and keystroke-wise. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Can't open System Preferences!


Sorry, let's try this again. I use tab. I find tab to be more efficient because some have the same first letter.

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Jonnie Apple Seed
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On Mar 4, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Jerry Halatyn wrote:

If you know which pane you need to get to, it takes less keystrokes to use first letter navigation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Can't open System Preferences!


H actually just tab and hit enter to open one.

--  Jonnie Apple Seed
With his:
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On Mar 4, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Jerry Halatyn wrote:

Actually, once the System Preferences window is opened and VoiceOver is focused on the Back button, one can simply hit Tab to land in the scroll area with the various buttons for each pane and then use first letter navigation to jump to specific buttons and then press space bar to open that pane. Alternatively, one can choose from the menu bar as well.
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