Joe, I sent a copy of his message off to someone at Apple I sort of
know as well.
Maybe someone will get a little fire under their rear and get this
moving. Maybe I'll get crazy and learn to program and the world will
surely be a scary place. hee hee
Scott
On Mar 7, 2006, at 1:23 AM, Kafka's Daytime wrote:
*grimace* I was, frankly, embarrassingly unaware of the XCode
unfriendliness with VO. Thanks for getting me hip to that. I do
know - from reading the publicly posted job description - that
Apple's just-hired accessibility software engineer will be working
on the development tools. That's an encouraging indicator. That
being said, a fresh reminder is probably a good thing. It needs to
go to the right person. I can forward it on to the manager of
Developer Relations Assistive Technology Segment. She doesn't fool
around with this stuff and will actually let the engineers know
what's up (though I'd be surprised if they're not aware and working
on this).
Joe
On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:40 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
It is an excellent system, there's no doubt of that.
Unfortunately though, Xtools isn't very vo friendly, and
complaints to apple on this topic have fallen on deaf ears.
Although, I do have to admit, that 10.4.5/6 do work considerably
better than 10.4.2 did, so I guess they're working on it slowly
behind the scenes. It's just frustrating as all hell knowing
exactly what needs done, and yet being unable to do it. I've
given up on C++ development, and now do all my programming in
pascal, using the gpc plugin. All interfaces need to be coded
from scratch (menus,, buttons, scroll bars, and so on) but even
though it's more work, at least it's doable, and I need not worry
about having to make connections between objects with inaccessible
tools. <sigh> I sure wish apple would fix this, I can see it's an
excellent development environment, but there's just no way I can
use it on my own, and getting my wife to do things for me (even if
it's just adding text labels to graphical elements) isn't a whole
lot of fun, since she continues to insist she doesn't know how it
works, even after I've told her exactly what to look for, click
on, and even where to click *grumble*
Ah well, at least it still works to some degree.
But besides that, my biggest complaint is the inability to even
change existing interfaces using Xtools. I want to simply rename
some items on the input screen of a program I have source to, and
using vo, you simply can't do it with xtools. Oh sure, I can save
the nib files in ascii format, use pico and make the changes, but
this often doesn't work properly, because even though the name
changes on the screen, the input field becomes unusable due to
lack of matching definitions required by the interface builder.
If apple would fix that one flaw, I could *almost* use the silly
thing.
On Mar 6, 2006, at 10:37 PM, Kafka's Daytime wrote:
Hi Jane,
Sure, happy to post the info. Cocoa and XCode make for a great
development environment. It's hard (for me, at least) to use
anything else now. And yes, it certainly doesn't hurt that all
this good stuff is free. :)
Joe
On Mar 6, 2006, at 10:31 PM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote:
Hi, Joe.
Thanks for clarifying. :) Guess I got confused.
Jane
On Mar 6, 2006, at 9:23 PM, Kafka's Daytime wrote:
The basic "Online" ADC membership is totally free. There are
also paid "Select", "Premier" and "Student Developer" account
types which come with additional benefits and discounts. The
free account gives you access to all of the information needed
to learn and develop with Cocoa.
Joe
On Mar 6, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote:
It's not entirely free for students, is it? I looked at it
once before and it *seemed* like college students or whatever
had to pay. Is this true? Weird, if so.
Jane
On Mar 6, 2006, at 9:09 PM, Kafka's Daytime wrote:
Hi Jane,
Apple's "Getting Started With Cocoa" developer document is a
good place to start. You can access this and lots of other
Cocoa development info (including tutorials) with a free
membership in Apple Developer Connection (ADC).
Link to ADC home:
http://developer.apple.com/
Link to "Getting Started With Cocoa":
http://developer.apple.com/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/
GS_Cocoa/index.html
I hope the info helps!
Joe
On Mar 6, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote:
Anyone know where there's a beginner's guide to writing
Coco? Free would be nice, but hey ... My husband is
considering learning it.
Jane
