what is this url for all the buz on apple?
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From: "LARRY WANGER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Accessible Ipods, will apple make a jump down this road?
The touch screen is apparently and rumored to be a part of a "full
featured" iPod to be released at some point in the future. I monitor a
couple of sites that property to know the latest buz about Apple products
and way back in the winter they suggested that a future iPod might feature
a 4 inch screen that utilized touch screen technology. However, as we
also know, they got a recent patent on an audible type iPod that sounded
like it might give verbal announcements as you navigated through the
menus. No clue about that though.
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From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Accessible Ipods, will apple make a jump down this road?
Ok well I beg your pardon then, I saw something with a touch screen and
I thought it to be an Ipod Nano.
Dane Trethowan
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On 30/05/2006, at 5:47 AM, LARRY WANGER wrote:
The Nano does not have a touch screen. I've tried to use one before.
It is very similar to larger iPod models but smaller. Its so small I
have trouble working the controls. No iPod at this point exists with
just a touch screen interface. This has been rumored to be in the next
incarnation of the iPod but as of yet is not. I have a friend who has
the newest video iPod and I myself use a 4th generation iPod and by
using the clicks and such that the device makes when moving around I
can navigate some features. Can I bring up a specific artist to listen
to...No. But, I can find the playlist I want just by memorizing that
playlists menu option is 2 clicks down, select the item and then I have
6 playlists that come up and by clicking down the list and having them
memorized I can navigate. The one at the top being 80's, one click
down being 90's, 5 clicks down being jazz and so on. I'd love to be
able to access all of the features but it works for me. The shuffle is
totally useful and I use one at the gym regularly. So, while these
devices are not perfect for the blind and could be far better, they can
be used.
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Larry Wanger
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan"
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Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible Ipods, will apple make a jump down this road?
Well, at my end I'll happily end this discussion by saying that no
matter what the accessability argument is, the Ipod shuffle is
perfectly useable so go and buy one and its nice to have a perfectly
usable product for a change as my DVD Player, VCR recorder are
perfectly usable because I sat down and spent time working them out.
The Ipod Nano on the other hand is something that I doubt you'll ever
get truly usable for a blind person because (the way it seems to me)
it has a touch screen so that goes out the window but I'm not going
to wage war against Apple just because they bring out something with
a flat touch screen, I'll just keep using the shuffle or find
something better such as an Iriver etc.
Dane Trethowan
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On 30/05/2006, at 12:38 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
Turn this around just a bit. The shuffle lacks certain
accessibility features which would benefit blind and sighted alike.
Now, while it is true that accessible is the same or nearly so for
sighted and blind alike, we see that acccessibility can be improved
for both. I hope this begins to make sense. We don't compair the
accessibility of a product for different groups and if found equally
accessible say the product is accessible. We look at what makes
something truly acceessible. This product needs a lot of work, but
it is not alone.
On May 29, 2006, at 8:49 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I'm really puzzled here.
What exactly is your definition of accessible?
If I can access all the functions of a unit, and I can do it in
exactly the same way the sighted folks do, regardless of the device,
or the medium, isn't that accessible?
I don't care that the shuffle doesn't have certain functions in it.
I.E. voice feedback for song titles, or play counters or the like.
The important thing is that it works for us exactly the same way it
works for the sighted people using it. What about this scenario is
not accessible?
And what about a cd player isn't accessible?
I can put a cd in my player, move forward, backward, skip songs, and
even randomly play songs if I desire (assuming the player has a
button for this function) here, I don't see a difference between
sighted/nonsighted access either. Most cd players (except for the
portable ones) don't have a display for sighted folks either, so
where's the non accessible features?
I believe you're confusing accessibility with feature rich. Just
because something doesn't have a feature I'd like, doesn't make it
inaccessible, it merely makes it not robust enough for my liking.
That's a completely different issue than being able to use it's
functions without sighted assistance.
Please try explaining what exactly it is you're trying to say here,
because I for one don't understand your point.
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