It's pointless to even address, David. The individual has rarely posted on this list, and when he does, it's always presented as troll bait and remarks meant to insight controversy.

Take Care

             John D. Panarese
        Managing Director
Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
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On Sep 22, 2006, at 6:33 AM, David Poehlman wrote:

Hi all,

The message below is insulting and full of innaccuracies but worst of all, it is not even close to being ontopic for the list. I see nothing of value in it for the list.

What am I missing? Please don't answer on list and if you don't have facts which pertain to our positive growth and development, please don't answer at all?

I was not going to respond to this message at all, but having been here as long as the list has, I just have to note that I see nothing reflective of anyone on this list in the message below and frankly would rather see information of value and truth here.

On Sep 22, 2006, at 12:19 AM, Abdul Kamara wrote:

Hello Mr. Morales,

I thank you very much for the 37 cents, though I hope you won't mind if I
"buck up" with 63 more...

You did not come out and say it, but I, much as you, am surprised at the
number of blind apologists of Apple on this board.

Apple had a lot of time to make its signature applications accessible with
voiceover.  Yet still, there has been little progress toward this end.
It's been said by some on this board that Apple's priority and focus has been toward "productivity applications", and that it's ok for programs such as iTunes to remain in the sidelines. As much as I am to respect the view
points of others, it is asinine for anyone to presume arbitration over
"productivity". Not everyone buys a computer for solely word- processing.

There are some who are pacified by the words of Apple ."Oh don't worry, daddy Apple will make everything betta for you blind folk". And they buy it hook, line and sinker. They believe it so much that they will chastise
anyone for having a healthy skepticism therein.

Accessibility has NEVER been a sexy issue for any mainstream software
company of note. Despite, Jobs' presentation to the contrary, the track record suggests that voiceover development is ancillary to everything that Apple is doing. This needs to change, and it can't happen if some blind
users continue to make excuses for them.

I have no biases toward either platform. But the current state of Apple's Initiative on Accessibility is not enough to warrant my total commitment to the Mac. Bottom line: I have way too much to do, than to sit down like a whimpering stray dog, begging for Apple to throw me a freakin'' bone. In
the interim, I will use Excel on Windows.

One final point. I agree with the assertion that blind users are a "special interest". But where I disagree is with the notion that we are a special interest of equal consideration. We don't need equality. Rather, we should have equitability. Voiceover is not an application of choice. In as far as blind users are concerned, it is fundamental to the usage of the operating system. Therefore, accessibility should be a central consideration in all of Apple's software development. Simple deductive reason shows that it is not. I don't think that Steve Jobs' mention of Voiceover served anything
but to make Apple look good.  What I'm more concerned about is if they
follow through with what they say.





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