This is certainly true. My understanding is that though the behind the scenes move began in 2000, there was a lot of work required to get the software and hardware to work to Apple's standards on the Intels. This is probably not the complete reason for the months that have passed, but I'd wager it''s a major one.

Not related to Apple, but to VO is to ,consider is that developers like, Joe, and David N and Greg are not in the majority. Many might be "aware" of accessibility issues, but they certainly don't see it as a priority. I can tell you this from email exchanges and phone call I've exchanged with a few. The standard "lip service" is given in that they intend on making their applications accessible because it's the "right thing to do", but I've found a few who didn't even know VoiceOver existed. Obviously, Apple cannot Make all of their developers be aware of VoiceOver or to even implement the tools to make their apps work with VO, so this is another part of the accessibility puzzle that is quite similar to the Windows environment.

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On Sep 25, 2006, at 8:56 PM, John Weir wrote:

One thing to be considered in all this. Just as VO came out in Tiger, Apple made a decision to shift to the intel chip and it pulled all its assorted SW development teams off the jobs they were doing and assigned them fully to the transition task. The VO team was stripped to help in this effort and the planned fixes that Apple knew about were put off to get the transistion done. For the Last year Apple has been in a dangerous position, some what like changing horses in mid stream. They needed to apply all their talent to making the change happen rapidly before the Apple computer market crashed while users waited for the new intel systems. Now that all the transition has been accomplished, it would appear to me that they will now settle down to completing the work needed on VO and possibly making other Apple products accessable. But Apple lost a good 15 months to make the change. So dont be too criticle about an 18 month time period to "fix" itunes and other programs. They are only now really working on the items that they had to put off. Vickie Weir

Scott Howell wrote:

Ah, at last some intelligent conversation on this topic. I think Joe and Abdul have exchanged some thoughts here that actually make sense. I agree with both and would say that yes Apple has done great things, but the fact is, they must continue and if it means holding their feet to the fire, then by all means. Joe being a developer has a good grip on development cycles etc. and I realize all of this will take time, but I agree that 18 months does seem a little long considering. I think however, keeping in mind the priorities of Apple's developers is a must as well. Surely it would be easy to add accessibility in, but surely it would make more sense to do so at the outset as opposed to patching it in after the fact. Of course Itunes has been in development for a good long while now and at this point I'd think if it were possible, then they aut to get to it. Of course Itunes is not the only application at all, there's plenty they could work on. Of course unless we're sitting with the teams everyday, we aren't going to know what the future holds, but we can only hope and encourage. As customers, even a minoirity at that, we do have the ability to make our desires known. This is the power of words and of course voting with your purchases doesn't hurt things. grin
Good discussion fellas.

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