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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abdul Kamara
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:17 PM
To: 'General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
the blind'
Subject: RE: Odd names for Mac programmes

A few simple quick points.

"Afraid to try something new" is a reason you've used more out of any other
throughout this thread.  And even if it isn't, the notion that people don't
use the Macs because of prevailing "myths", conveys such an attitude.  As
I've tried to reinforce throughout this discussion, as much as I like the
Mac, there are major pit falls to using it, especially from the perspective
of a blind individual.  In fact, there are many people who believe the same.
Now, you may disagree, but usability is a subjective experience, not
necessarily something to be relegated to "myth".

Secondly, market research can never make a conclusion as to cause.  All they
can do is to draw correlations.  This is the basis of any social scientific
research.  Now, I used the term "I think" so as to say that I am giving an
opinion.  One that says, that I'm skeptical that Apple's TV ad campaigns are
doing all that well.  One that also says that I think the iPod is the medium
through which a lot more Macs have been sold, and that it helps to have
Apple stores opened through the major cities where by people can go and buy
their iPod and then come across something so nifty looking.  Now, if you are
able to find me a credible source that proves how the commercials are the
cause of increased sails, I will change my mind.  But I am confident you
won't.

I deal with facts too John.  Though what is apparent, is that I feel a lot
more comfortable with critical analysis of said facts.  I like discussion,
not "list fires" or "discord" nor am I interested in "deliberate
misdirection".  I don't cast aspersions on you, as much as I do the things
you say that do not sit right.  If I was interested in any of the
aforementioned qualities, I would make the kind of comments you've made in
your previous email, which takes me to my final point.

This discussion was initially between Josh and myself.  You didn't have to
respond to my post, especially as you say that I am only interested in
starting "list fires".  Yet still, you responded.  What does that say about
you, and a possible predilection for the same, if not a convenient method of
exercising self-righteousness?




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:17 PM
To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the
blind
Subject: Re: Odd names for Mac programmes

No, as usual,   Abdul, you seek to create further discord by  
perpetuating a seemingly innocuous discussion with the usual dose of
inaccuracies and deliberate misunderstandings.  I never simply chalked up or
dismissed anyone's reason for not using a Mac in any high and mighty manner.
Another example of your intentional misdirection.  I provided additional
reasons that are equally valid and well documented throughout the Internet.
Equally so, the popularity of the Mac television commercials, which Apple
would have dropped if they were so allegedly hated, is also well documented
in marketing research.  And, of course, as much as the halo effect of the
iPod has helped the success of Mac laptops, fellow, so called Mac user and
supporter, you would know much better than that to make such a dismissive
claim out of hand considering ... you guessed it ...  
other market research to prove otherwise.  Yes, Abdul, I rely on facts and
not matches to start list fires.

     Overall, though, we have gone way off topic from the nature of this
list, so it is pointless to continue to counter your usual negativity and
criticisms of Apple you have demonstrated throughout the history of this
list.  Besides, I was curious to your reappearance on this list, as, the
archives clearly prove, it comes in cycles and is usually surrounded by some
kind of list controversy.  I got my answer this morning while flipping
through the  
channels on the boob tube.  I feel foolish for missing the obvious.   
Now, I'll sit back and see if my belief holds true.  I've been told that
there is no such thing as simple coincidences.

Take Care
John D. Panarese
Managing Director
Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
9 Nolan Court
Hauppauge, NY 11788
Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479
Email, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com





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