Honestly, I too feel his pain. There were pointts I regreted buying
my Mac and wanted to hang each and every one of you mac people for
claiming how simple it was and how much better the experience would
be. We've got to remember everyone is different, learns differently
and, some of us hate reading help files!
On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:03 PM, James Austin wrote:
OkayIkay folks, hang fire there...
Shaun is new to the Mac, it is very different from Windows, and
takes some getting used to. Shaun has freely admitted that he is
not a "read the manual type" person, and to be fair, the VO
"Getting Started" Guide, is not exactly light bedtime reading.
I will admit that there have been some questions on this list that
Shaun and others have asked, and my initial response has been
"check the help, that's what it's there for", but this list was
designed by some good people, and our aim is to help each other,
regardless of how basic the question or task may be. There was a
time when we were all new to the Mac and VO.
The comments relating to Safari and Windows Screen Reading
solutions being more usable are well documented, but at the same
time kind of irrelevant. Whilst there is certainly a place for
Windows and Virtualisation software, Windows and its various
Aasistive Technology vendors have had a decade or more to work on
their solutions, and these are still not "perfect", and they
probably never will be. This is probably true for all Asistive
Technology.
The whole point of lists like these, is to help users get the most
of their products, and to share experiences; but there ultimate aim
is to help people! Come on folks, since certain members have left,
this list has been one of the most helpful and nicest I've been on.
Stop with the sniping (you know who you are), and recognise that
there are users on this list who may not be as computer literate,
and may require a little more help.
If this is overstepping the mark, then please feel free to remove
me from this list, as I have no desire to be part of a list, where
certain members snipe at each other. I thought we had seen an end
to this with the removal of a certain list member who will remain
nameless.
Just my two scents
Best Wishes to all on the list
James
On 24 Sep 2007, at 20:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:
And James, your points relating to Safari accessability are well
and truly noted, ok Safari is not bad but its going to have to
improve one hell of a lot if its to be taken seriously amongst
users of Screen reading software, just run Window-Eyes or JAWS
with Internet Explorer or Firefox and you'll immediately see the
difference, I can only hope that Apple have addressed some of
these problems in Lepard and the new version of VO.
On 25/09/2007, at 2:01 AM, James Jolley wrote:
Er, perhaps you should look back at the list? I asked mostly about
newsgroup cliants, access to safari not being what it should be,
using the mac for digital editting, using it to access podcasts
and so on like that. Thing is, I got on with it, unlike you. You
seem to just be intent on pissing people off by sending thousands
of messages per day. We have better things to do than constantly
answer your questions because your inept and can't use your computer.
On 24 Sep 2007, at 19:38, VaShaun Jones wrote:
What the hell is that supposed to mean. I have learned alott.
The funny thing is that you haven't posted anything to help, you
just have negative comments. Don't like the questions then get
off the list like Jedd said. I wonder what questions you wwere
asking when you firsts sat down to learn the Mac.
On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:20 AM, James Jolley wrote:
Yes but your getting on with learning, unlike somebody else I
could mention. It isn't directed at the people who are "trying".
On 23 Sep 2007, at 23:09, Jed Barton wrote:
Good for you.
If you don't like the messages people are posting, then don't
read.
Personally I have been a mac user for 3 weeks, and have learned
a lot thanks
to people on this list.
Personally, I'm not a read it manual kind of guy, and learn by
doing.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James
Jolley
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac OS X by
theblind
Subject: Don't take this the wrong way
Hi folks,
What is it with some people on this list not bothering to read
documentation
or attempt to work things out for themselves? This Sean person
or whoever he
is constantly posts without any common sense. He doesn't seem
to obviously
read documentation. Alright, I have asked the odd question but
let's run
down what I managed to do within my first month:
1. Sorted out male
2. Sorted out newsgroup access.
3. Gotten myself a decent set of apps for digital editting.
4. Installed all the tools necessary for writing and playing
interactive
fiction.
5. Gotten myself aquainted with mac OS from scratch as it is a
good deal
different to OS 9 with outspoken.
6. Installed and used VLC media player.
7. Gotten Fusion for running windows and installed it
independently.
8. Managed to update my blog and get to grips with Marsedit 2.0
Oh, let me
see, I bought my mac in august and started from nothing?
I forgot, people on this list seem to think I don't know what
the hell I
am on about. With a wide range of experience in music composition,
arrangement and engineering, not to mention mathematical
research and so on
I am well aquainted with computers and there abilities. I
started with
Eureka A4 systems, programmed them and used them for music
composition and
arrangement.
My point really is that it is getting rather boring to see the
same requests
on this list and people don't take time to learn things.
Why? If you buy a mac, invest the time in learning it.
Just my thoughts.
-James-
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