Hi there,

If it's of any help to you, you can also download the PDF file of VoiceOver
getting started as well.  This way, you can read it as well.  You can very
easily convert the file to a text file which makes it easier for reading.  

Chris


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:50 PM
To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the
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Subject: Re: Reading Manuals

        I agree with both of you. My two problems are that I have to want  
learn certain things at certain times. The other is doing searches  
for Voice Over gives you recording tips. I got the MP3 download of VO  
help tutorial and will listen as well as pause it and try what they  
say and play it agiain. I am sure it will give me alott of iinfo. If  
I have the material I will not hessitate to use it. If you don't know  
where to look, how to look or where to turn it  can be dounting some  
times. Lets keep banging [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sep 24, 2007, at 7:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Yes, that's certainly true I'm afraid but then again, that same  
> thing can be said for many products, pieces of software etc.
> I still found the Getting Started With VoiceOver a good read though.
>
> On 25/09/2007, at 7:41 PM, Penny Stevenson wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I have to say that I find the mac help files can often be less  
>> than helpful.
>> There are many times I have been searching for subjects and had no  
>> luck.
>> Sometimes I have windows terminology and don't know how to  
>> translate it into
>> MacSpeak so that help can understand me. Even after reading some  
>> of the help
>> files I am still in the dark. Take Automator for example,
>> I am still none the clearer as to how to achieve the things I want to
>> achieve.
>> Persoally for me, I tend to try and do both things, look in the  
>> help at the
>> same time as asking on a list... Sometimes it just happens that  
>> the list
>> gets back to me quicker than the help files ever do...
>> What I find helpful is messages that say where to find or how to  
>> find the
>> information, so rather than just saying read the manual messages  
>> that say
>> 'in the help menu for iTunes type in ...'. I think that being able  
>> to search
>> through help files is often a skill in itself.
>> Take Care all,
>>> From Penny
>>
>>
>
>





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