It's been my experience that drag and drop with vo is kind of
useless. I know it works for some things, but it seems to be very
limited. I hope this gets improved.
To be fair though, it works better than any other screen reader
implementation of drag and drop I've been acquainted with. But still,
I'd like to see its functionality improved. It would be nice to be
able to drag things into the dock with vo.
Holly
On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
Hello all
On the issue of hierarchical menus in the doc:
There are a number of solutions out there, but many as yu may have
noticed, require drag and drop which is generally not doable in vo
without some power user trickery.
I sent an email to one of the developers of a program called quay.
The reply is forwarded below. It got me wondering myself about
something. Normally, actually, I never really knew about
hierarchical menus in the doc so I never really used them. He asks
how we put folders in the doc and I consequently don't really know.
Could someone on here please tell me a way to put items in the doc?
I did get around to reading Josh's suggestion, at least I think it
was Josh's suggestion, on using the track pad with vo keys locked
on. I will try that. Has anyone managed to make that work? Josh?
Thank you
Begin forwarded message:
From: Rainer Brockerhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: November 24, 2007 2:03:23 AM PST
To: Justin Harford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: feedback keyboard accessibility
At 18:07 -0800 23/11/2007, Justin Harford wrote:
I am a blind voiceover user among a community of blind users who
want the old pop-up-menus back because of the fact that stacks is
not vo compatible. Voiceover, or VO, is the built in screenreader
for mac os x.
Hi Justin. Glad to hear from you. I must admit I know no blind
users myself, and had decided to put off any acessibility stuff to
a future version... you're the first ever that wrote in, actually
(speaking also for my other applications). Let's see what can be
done.
Anyway, I was just wanting to put in a request for a more keyboard
oriented approach to Quay. I would venture to say that this will
require two things, one I am sure ought not to be hard as I have
seen it in many other programs, and the other, I am not sure.
Will try. I do get some requests from users who prefer to use the
keyboard - something I personally hate to do. The problem is that
the mouse gives me extra information (click location, for one)
which the keyboard doesn't. I'll try to learn more about the
accessibility options.
In the first step, you are supposed to drag a folder into the
window.
Why not also offer a folder open dialog under the file menu, that
the user would also be able to activate with cmd o? One could
select the folder in the open dialog, and it would automatically
be placed in the window.
Easily done. Consider it implemented. I also thought of having a
menu item that would list a handful of popular folders.
In the next step, the user is told to drag the folder into the
doc. I wonder if you could not just have it automatically do
this. It would not matter where it placed the folder, the user
could move it to the 'desired location with the option key plus
arrows.
Hm, there is no supported way of inserting anything in the Dock
programmatically. I would have to change the Dock's preferences
behind its back, and kill and restart it - something that also
would kill the Dashboard and have other implications. In general,
developers are very strongly advised not to do that.
Thank you for your time and I hope that these suggestions may be
implemented.
I'm curious. How do you put anything in the Dock today? Since you
obviously don't need the visual icon customization, the best way
would be for me to make the Open Menu (or Popular menu) put the
icon directly into the Dock. I would have to put up a dialog box
with a dire warning directed at sighted users who stumble into it,
though.
Best regards,
--
Rainer Brockerhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Belo Horizonte, Brazil
"In the affairs of others even fools are wise
In their own business even sages err."
Weblog: http://www.brockerhoff.net/bb/viewtopic.php
