I don't want to prove rick rong. I just want to get info out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "erik burggraaf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: A Podcast to prove rick rong was Re: [BCT] Mac tutorials
Hi friends, Would there be demand for a feature program of the week podcast? I would take rick's point and once every week or two I would explore a program from the perspective of a switcher new to the mac. Spend half an hour to an hour just dicecting one task and showing how it works and where things need improvement? I know josh and some others are already doing serial podcasting, but I haven't had time to sit and do much listening. It's possible this is already being done and Rick hasn't looked far enough. Best, Erik erik burggraaf Certified Technician Assistive Computing LTD Support and training Sales department: 888-828-2445 Support and Training: 888-255-5194 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website coming soon On 24-Apr-08, at 1:39 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > I'll take a shot at some of this: Please see my notes below: > > Greg Kearney > 535 S. Jackson St. > Casper, Wyoming 82601 > 307-224-4022 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:06 AM, David Poehlman wrote: > >> >> >> >> Rick, >> >> I agree with you. I think that the fact that VoiceOver is imbedded >> into the >> Mac OS is a terrific thing, but I have yet to hear a podcast that >> demonstrates that the accessibility offered in VoiceOver is at >> least equal >> to one of the major Windows screen readers like WindowEyes or JFW. >> >> I don't want to diminish the value of having a screen reader as an >> integral >> part of the operating system. This is huge, but I have yet to see >> anyone >> demonstrate that the great access we have to things like the web, >> spreadsheets, and applications we use on a daily basis like Skype, >> Messenger, and the list goes on, is at least equal to what we have in >> Windows. >> >> By access, I don't mean simply that it talks and reads the >> screens. I mean >> things like can you go to a web page and jump directly to the third >> button >> on the page? Can you go directly to the third form. Can you bring >> up a >> list of forms or edit fields in a list so you can choose the one >> you want to >> jump to directly? Can you set markers on either a per page or >> domain level? > > While we do not have the notion of jumping to the third item on a > page, and unless you knew the page very well I'm not sure what good > that would do. We do have both a URL and item chooser menus for > pages which provide that kind of navigation. > >> >> >> Can you open a word document with tables and comfortably read >> through those >> tables in a meaningful way? > I have not had any particular difficulties reading tables in > TextEdit the Mac's built in word processor which is file compatible > with MS Word. > > > >> >> >> Can you open up a spreadsheet and define monitored cells that will >> automatically speak their value when they change whether they are >> visible on >> the screen or not? > > The only accessible spreadsheet application is Table you could make > a cell a hot spot and then have it read each time it is changed. Hot > spots are available system wide. > > >> >> >> Can you read mail in Outlook or equivalent email client in html or >> text and >> have it automatically read the message for you when opened? > Yes our email program is called Mail and you can set it up to read > each mail message as it is opened. > > >> >> >> Do you have the same level of access to your multi-track recording >> software >> as Windows users have to Sonar? > > > >> >> >> Do you have an equivalent solution for scanning and reading to >> K1000, or >> OpenBook? > > There is K3000 it is expensive but it can be used with VoiceOver > just as K1000 is. I would like to see a Mac version of K1000 myself. > In addition it is possibnle to run K1000 in a mac with VMfusion and > no Window's screen reader. > >> >> >> Do you have an FTP client that is as accessible as FTP Voyager, or >> FileZilla? > > yes both Transmit and CyberDuck are fully VoiceOver compatible FTP > clients. > > >> >> >> The list could go on and on, but I think these are the sort of >> questions >> Windows users would like to see answered in a straight forward and >> honest >> way. These questions are not meant to be confrontational in any >> way. They >> are just examples of the sort of things I would want to know if >> someone were >> to do a podcast on VoiceOver. >> >> Honestly speaking, the few podcasts I have heard were cool, and it >> was >> awesome to see an OS have a better solution than narrator, but the >> sort of >> access I witnessed, and the amount of maneuvering folks had to do >> to get >> something's done, to me at least, seemed like Windows access a few >> years >> ago. >> >> I know VoiceOver is still a baby compared to the Windows screen >> readers and >> if development continues, could some day catch up to them, but so >> far, from >> what I have heard and seen in podcasts, it does have a long way to >> go. I am >> not saying it won't get there but for someone to say access is now >> equal >> with VoiceOver is still a stretch. Of course I would love to see >> development continue by Apple and some day be able to say that I >> can switch >> to a Mac if I want to and not miss a thing in terms of accessibility. >> >> Hopefully, someone will do a podcast that will prove me wrong. >> >> >> >> Warmest regards, >> >> Rick Alfaro >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harmon >> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:54 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [BCT] Mac tutorials >> >> Ok all you mac users. I've been asking for several months now for >> mac >> tutorials demonstrating lepard, voice over and programs on the >> mac. No one >> has stepped foward. >> >> So here's your chance to show how voice over shines. Let me know >> if anyone >> is interested in contributing. >> >> Rick >> >> -- >> Visit my webpage and podcast feed at: >> http://www.blind-geek-zone.net >> and my web Blog at: >> http://blind-geek-zone.blogspot.com/ >> >> Join the BGZ mailing list by sending a blank email message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> and reply to the confirmation msg. >> >> Contact info: >> Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype - rharmon928 >> MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> _______________________________________________ >> BCT mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://lists.blind-planet.com/listinfo.cgi/bct-blind-planet.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BCT mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://lists.blind-planet.com/listinfo.cgi/bct-blind-planet.com >> >> >> > >
