Hey Scott, yes you're right, but what I was meaning was how one
would direct VoiceOver or the system to speak specific phrases in an
app.
For example, if you're coding using Swing, then a Java app is
pretty much accessible out of the box so to speak, but this doesn't
tell me how to tell VoiceOver to say a specific line of text just as
it gets printed to a window per se.
Does that make sense?…
Anyway, -hope all is well witcha <smile> and have a nice night, K?…
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 11, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
Hi,
Java deals with accessibility in its framework from the start.
Objects support the accessible interface which defines how a UI or
any java object can respond to adaptive technology. So, the APIs of
Apple or any other vendor, are hidden. It's up the JVM to implement
the java framework on the native platform.
If you're interested in this, I suggest you look at the
java.accessibilty package and the accessible interfaces in the java
framework docs.
I have not seen an accessible java application on any platform, so I
cannot comment on what a Mac would do to a properly coded java
application.
You've made me curious though....
--Scott
AGreed as well, and very good post! I'm actually wondering the
same thing myself, but for differing reasons. I'm wanting to do a
bit more work with Java apps on the Mac and need to know more about
this very issue.
VO may be a moving target behind the scenes, and that sure would
be an issue for the moment, but as it seems that Apple has taken
quite a bit of care to create / maintain / make public, their
framework for accessible apps, I'd doubt it. However, as
improvements are always being made, it is certainly possible to
some degree?Š
Thanks for your note and have a wonderful day!Š
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
I wonder if he is referring to things under the hood like the
Apple Accessibility API and such. While VO generally provides full
access to everything on the Mac, if you're wanting to plug stuff
into VO underneath (like Flash accessibility) are the APIs
consistent? Have they been shifting and changing with each
release? I don't actually know but the developer might see VO as
shifting sand while the user is productive and happy. It could be
that I'm in the lobby with the comfy chairs and tinkling fountain
but down in the basement the plumbing is full of leaks and things
to knock your head on.
CB
Cara Quinn wrote:
darcy, I absolutely agree 100 percent! I'm using Mac
exclusively right now, and as I've mentioned here before, I work
to a huge degree on the web all the time for castings, and
dealing with agents and such. So for someone to arbitrarily say
that VO, (my current exclusive means of speech output) is less
than 'mature' is a bit uninformed at the very least.
On top of that, it's also a bit of a catch 22, as VO will never
be seen as mature without at least some degree of flash access,
which to some degree mirrors that of JFW / WE on the Windows
side. So it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, yes?Š
Anyway, I personally am in tremendous need of flash access which
I know I can get with JFW, and would be forced down that road if
it weren't for extremely irritating work-arounds or conventional
site links which could vanish at any moment as some of the sites
I work with regularly are updated. So I'm on a bit of a tenuous
thread here so to speak. I love the Mac side though, and as it's
a joy to work with in large part, I'll stay with it here as
access improves or I'm forced in another direction for certain
tasks.
I'd hate to see that happen, but if people keep making arbitrary
uninformed claims or decisions about VO and it's user base /
perceived lack thereof, that may happen.
here's hoping it doesn't though!
Thanks for your note and keep up the wonderful work! You guys
rock!Š
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:
Hmmm, wonder if Mr. Kirkpatrick has been reading a little too
much access world.
Seriously though, who gets to decide if a product is mature or
not? I've been a Mac user for two years now, in in the last
year, I bet I could count on my fingers the number of times I've
turned on my windows machine.
This is a cop out in my opinion. They can keep saying this
indefinitely.
Darcy, who now has something more to talk about on Screenless
Switchers tomorrow.
On 9-Jun-08, at 11:12 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
Got this back from Adobe. Not sure how to reply perhaps the
user community could give Mr. Kirkpatrick an education.
Greg Kearney
535 S. Jackson St.
Casper, Wyoming 82601
307-224-4022
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Begin forwarded message:
From: "Andrew Kirkpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: June 9, 2008 8:09:29 PM MDT
To: "Greg Kearney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Adobe accessibility
Greg,
Tried to chat with you from your site. Unfortunately,
VoiceOver is not
ready for real use as a tool for blind users to gain access to
many
applications and access to HTML content with VO is hardly
mature. As a
result, we have not focused on supporting the Mac
accessibility API in
the Flash player yet.
The Australian law doesn't require cross-platform accessibility,
particularly when there is no mature tool on one of the
platforms in
question, resulting in no users requiring screen reader access
in that
environment.
AWK
Lloyd Rasmussen at the Library of Congress suggested I
communicate
with you concerning accessbility of Flash content with in the
Macintosh environment with VoiceOver.
Later this month I will be traveling to Australia where I will
be
working on accessible websites. Australian law requires that
web sites
be accessible. I have been unable to interact with any Flash
based
content with VoiceOver on a Mac.
I am wondering if this is an issue that is being addressed or
not as I
will need to advise my clients as to the legal use of Flash
content.
Thank you for your time.
Greg Kearney
535 S. Jackson St.
Casper, Wyoming 82601
307-224-4022
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