we need a law. one product line of a carrier is not enough to force 255. as for making it talk for drivers, if they did that, it would only talk partially because the driver would not need a full screen reader.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven M. Sawczyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening David, You write often of Apple's not having an incentive to make the iPhone speech friendly, but a possible incentive would be to speech enable it for drivers. I'm thinking of certain LG phones which have a great deal of, for lack of a term inadvertent accessibility because of their "driving" modes. As an aside, but having to do with incentive, wasn't there an FCC complaint filed maintaining that the iPhone is in violation of 1988 telecom legislation? I vaguely remember the complaint focusing on the fact that a blind user could not dial emergency services given the touch screen nature of the iPhone and that the 1988 legislation mandated the ability to access emergency services. I don't know if the complaint was dismissed -- I haven't heard anything about it for quite a while. When I'm more awake, I'll see if I can google up that complaint as it'd be interesting to see what happened to it. Steve On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:02 PM, David Poehlman wrote: I didn't say never and in later messages, I said that the pda screen reading solutions are currently based on windows and symbion. While it is true that pocket pcs run through taps and msp, the IPhone as has been described is not quite that simple. The bottom line here though is that there is no incentive for apple to make it work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening Your still missing the point. Regardless of what os it's running, the point is if folks are using MSS to utilize the device despite it's lack of a regular tactile keyboard or tactile interface, they are doing it none the less. So, this means it isn't impossible for the iPhone to offer the same abilities. Point is never say never. Apple has proven to be a company who has made many things possible that shows they have the ability. The point then becomes whether or not it makes business since. The blind community is a small community in the scheme of things and as much as it pains me to say it, it's just simply true. So, then a company has to decide where to spend their R&D money which will return the most profit for the company and stock holders. So, it's not a simple issue no matter which way you look at it. However, again, never say never because you can't honestly say what Apple will or will not do. On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:24 PM, David Poehlman wrote: > except it runs windows mobile, big big difference. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike's Western Account" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening > > > as i said and i dont wanna start anything, but there are mobile speak > users who use the htc touch, and it is like the iphone, completely, > touch, so it's doable! > On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: > >> Mike, I think you're missing David's point. If the phone has a >> touch screen, how are we gonna do it, being we can't see to know >> where on the screen to touch. OK, sure touch the top left, ok, >> you're a little to high, no, wo wo wo wo, that was too low, go up, >> ahh, dang it, little to the left, no wo, I said a little, not a >> lot. OK, move right, now go down a little, to the right a bit, boom >> right there, now, touch. Do you kind a see his point now? We could >> only get a general idea. Yeah touch top left, well, that is so >> vaigue. How far top left. >> >> if there is no tactual keyboard, then we're kind a screwed. I >> frankly wouldn't have it. >> >> Chris. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western Account" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >> X by theblind" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:36 PM >> Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening >> >> >>> well there is the htc touch, isn't that like the iphone? mobile >>> speak runs on it being that the htc touch runs windows mobile >>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> >>>> So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone accessible? >>>> Obviously it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact? >>>> There is no tactile UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen >>>> kiosk and some have simple instructions saying to touch the top >>>> left for yes or top right for no. That kind of interaction model >>>> doesn't scale very well for complex interaction like typing an >>>> email . Not making excuses for Apple but this seems like a tough >>>> nut to crack. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>> >>>>> 22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan: >>>>> >>>>>> I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was >>>>>> calling about another issue and was told that apple would "look >>>>>> into it" This was in June, and appparently nothing has been >>>>>> resolved as of now. >>>>> >>>>> But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone business >>>>> going on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been >>>>> like this that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over >>>>> functionality and accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that >>>>> we have such a well functioning screen reader as we have. >>>>> >>>>> With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question should be >>>>> usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. If we >>>>> get angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners and >>>>> complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to happen. >>>>> >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > > > > Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
