you can turn off the genious side bar and that helps.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessi Rathwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by 
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: ITunes Browser's acting really weird.


hmmmm. I'm thinking maybe that might help with my odd losing
interaction issue? maybe that's the reason voiceover is losing
interaction with the table. I don't see a way to turn them off, but
maybe there is.
On 12-Sep-08, at 11:40 AM, Randy Stegall wrote:

> Esther,
>
> I have some vision so I can see that something is happening on the
> screen but can't read it.  What I have noticed is that tooltips
> appear from time to time and when this occurs voiceover loses
> focus.  I don't know if there is a way to turn tooltips off but
> there should be.  I have seen this in other programs as well.
>
> Randy
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> OK, this has been unstable, and sometimes I can't simply tab
>> between the fields.  However, when I can tab between the browser
>> areas, I'm getting the announcements for Album, Artist, and Album
>> again. I've been playing with my navigation setttings, but I can't
>> get this sorted.  However, I was finding this more erratic in
>> Leopard just before the update to iTunes 8.0 and it seems to be a
>> VoiceOver focus issue. If you tab through to Artists and then
>> interact with the browser you'll be at the Album column,  If you
>> interact at any time after your tab reaches the browser you always
>> end up in the Album column.  I've tried changing the Navigation
>> settings for the initial position of the VoiceOver Cursor (first
>> item in window or Keyboard focused item).  I've also tried turning
>> keyboard tracking off, restarting VoiceOver, and restarting my
>> machine.  I've played with the various level of F4 (and F3) keys to
>> try to move VoiceOver focus to keyboard focus, etc.
>>
>> If I go into the browser and query what's happening with my cursor
>> (assuming I have cursor tracking turned on), it's in the browser,
>> but not focused on a column (as I expect; same behavior in other
>> areas I tab to). As soon as I interact, it jumps to the Artist
>> column.
>>
>> As I said, I've been finding small instabilities in cursor focus
>> coming into Leopard before the iTunes release.  Some of these are
>> associated with turning cursor tracking on and off, but the really
>> weird (and reproducible ones) came when I was using mouse keys and
>> stated getting messages about "zoom" being off or on, when
>> I hadn't had zoom active, and was turning mouse keys on and off.
>> This also seemed to have some interaction with sticky keys ---
>> another Universal Access feature I hadn't used, but tried, just to
>> find out how odd the messages would get.
>>
>> I think this has something to do with reports that they stabilized
>> the VoiceOver focus behavior under zoom mode, but there are now
>> some odd focus instabilities that occasionallly crop up.
>>
>> The only thing I can add to the odd browser behavior in iTunes is
>> that I was finding this to be unstable (though not quite with the
>> same symptoms) just before updating to iTunes 8.  I could not
>> reliably tab to the browser fields all the time as I could in
>> Tiger.  In some instances I had to VO-right arrow.  There have been
>> other minor focus incidents (like having to "fiddle" around to set
>> the date and location on a new Mac, when this was straightforward
>> in Tiger), but I put that down to not having applied software
>> update at that point to go up to 10.5.4.
>>
>> So there is something odd about focus and the browser, but I think
>> I've been seeing underpinnings of this before the iTunes update.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Esther
>> On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>
>>> so basicly you're saying vo twice to the browser, then from there
>>> to get between to the browser fields like x artists, y albums,
>>> would I vo right again to reach those, and must I interact with
>>> each of the browser fields?
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
>>> OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: ITunes Browser's acting really weird.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> I'm finding that tabbing navigation in iTunes and Automator works
>>>> differently in Leopard than in Tiger, so I can't simply tab
>>>> between Source table, Search Text Field, and Songs List ( or
>>>> Browser fields  and Songs List). As David said, you'll have to VO-
>>>> right arrow twice  from the Search text field to get to the
>>>> browser.  I'm also finding  that keyboard focus and VoiceOver
>>>> focus don't seem to be tracking as  cleanly in Leopard 10.5.4 as
>>>> in Tiger 10.4.11.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> OK guys, this is kind a strange, I'll admit.  OK, let's say I
>>>>>> wanna  do a
>>>>>> search for Leann Rimes in my library.  OK, so, I'm in the
>>>>>> sources  list,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> interacting with it, just sitting on it basicly.  OK, now, I
>>>>>> tab  over,
>>>>>> until
>>>>>> I reach the search box and hear I'm at the beginning of the
>>>>>> insertion
>>>>>> point.
>>>>>> BTW, just to clarify, I am speaking that this happens to me
>>>>>> under Leopard.
>>>>>> In Tiger I don't see this issue, but in Leopard I do.  Anyway,
>>>>>> ok,  so I
>>>>>> type
>>>>>> Leann Rimes, then I hit tab.  I then hear absolutely nothing.
>>>>>> if I down
>>>>>> arrow, I hear nothing.  If I tab, I hear maybe like 3 albums,
>>>>>> however if I
>>>>>> down arrow, I now hear country.  So, it's like, it's throwing
>>>>>> me  into the
>>>>>> genre field of the browser.  now if I tab I get say 3 albums
>>>>>> again.  If I
>>>>>> down arrow, then I see the albums, but, instead a doing that,
>>>>>> if I shift
>>>>>> tab
>>>>>> back twice, now, I'm finally on where it says maybe 2 or 3
>>>>>> artists. Then if
>>>>
>>>>>> I down arrow, I get the list of artists.  I find this not only
>>>>>> very bazaar,
>>>>
>>>>>> but incredibly annoying as I never really know what parta the
>>>>>> browser I'm in.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Esther
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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