oh, I love this and this is why I have always struggled with windows assistive technology for the blind. As a blind person, I learned the elephant and the three blind men story at an early age and was taught to think from the top down or from out to in. Of course, it helps in any situation to know how to think both ways but you need to know that there are two ways and that there really is a whole something in order for the parts to actually make sense. This can be applied to spelling. you have a whole word, its parts and the individual characters that make up the individual parts of the word/string and the direction of flow if there is one like does the item make more sense when viewed upside down? on its side? from some other angle? I remember learning about rotating images, it opened up a whole new world. Many blind people I have known will take an object and feel of it from one perspective and never think to turn it around and touch it from different angles.

There is an interesting free piece of software available for windows that demonstrates the whole view approach at:
http://www.seeingwithsound.com
called the vOICe learning edition. the OIC stands for oh, I see! This software turns an image into sound which when reconverted through an oscillascope renders the exact same image that was converted so we know we are getting an exact representation. Each pixel is examined and based on the analesis, the sonnification produces an audible rendering of the immage. This method of sensory substitution is quite encouraging because it allows for processing of all the raw data rather than preinterpretation such that loud pixels are bright and pixels that are higher in the view are higher in pitch. So, all that to say that you hear the entire image and then you pick out the individual parts of the images by listening to it. the image is sliced vertically such that it takes one second to sweep the image horrizontally in one direction usually left to right. Wearing a headset, you can hear the locations within the image of each part of the image and with training, many people can "see" the image. It should be noted that this process of seeing with sound is best suited to pre-sighted individuals according to research but I have never had sight and can discern images although it does not feel like seeing to me. This can be highly useful for instance to look at images on web pages and identify them without alt tags.

On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:33 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi Mike,  This is what I call the dropped penny approach.

The penny drop was an orientation exercize my sister and I had to do when we were kids, and it says a lot about the way blind people work vs sighted people. The approach isn't rong, it's just different.

When a penny falls on the grownd, a sighted person steps back, takes in the scene at a glance and focuses in on the penny so they can pick it up. This is the approach voiceover takes.

When the same penny falls on the ground, a blind person listens to the sound, chooses a point of reference such as a table leg or the toe of a shoe, and sircles out concentricly in the direction of the sound until the penny is found. This is the windows approach.

In windows for example, you are on a link, in a table, on a web page, in a browser, on the desktop. Conversely in mac, you are on the desktop, in a browser, on a web page, in a table, on a link, that has text. Both approaches are good, but blind people are not taught top down or outside in the way sighted people are. They are taught bottom up or inside out. Or in other words, first identify something by it's parts and then identify the whole thing based on information about it's parts, instead of identifying the whole thing at a glance and then zeroing in on each part to see how it fits with the whole.

The new mac user coming over from windows may look at the way voiceover works and think, "Oh my lord! That's not intuitive at all!", but of course it is extremely intuitive once you rap your mind around it.

Best,


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On 5-Jan-09, at 4:39 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I find what confuses some people with voice over is the whole interacting thing, I think it's pretty simple, you could just call it zooming in or focusing in on an item, but that confuses some people.
On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:51 AM, David Poehlman wrote:

Hello all,

One thing I have observed about the mac which has been different from most if not all of my windows experiences is that when I read the manual for my macs and the os and vo materials, I was able to do anything I needed to do with the mac and the os because either there were keyboard comands built-into the os or into vo. The most startling thing though was how my knowledge of vo helped me with the system in general when I was reading the user guides.

If you want to read the user guide for your mac, there is a folder on the hd called user guides and information which has the welcome to leopard guide and the user guide for your computer along with another document or two. These work well in preview and give you some vo practice.









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