Peter Kupfer wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Callouts:
they are in the Text toolbar, but this Toolbar is not displeyed unless you know it is there. We know most users do not configure interface at all. The new callout shapes has some fancy shapes, but it lacks the old-style line callouts.
Actually, both connector (Line callouts I think as you call them) and the callouts with fancy shapes are available in the draw toolbar which is open on the bottom of the screen by default when you open Impress.
No, a connector is not a callout. In 1.1.4 "callout" is the third button in the "text" toolbox in teh Drawing toolbar. A callout looks like a box for text with a line that points to somewhere. You can have this line ending as an arrowhead.
What is wrong with the 12th button on the draw toolbar with the little comic dialouge bubble picture on it. I produces square callouts that point places and you have total control over the line.
I know the toolbox you mention. It has several fancy callouts. But it DO NOT have a button for the unique callout object availabel in 1.1.4 (actually, there is a button for this drawing object, but it is included in the Text toolbox). Thsi is at least inconsistent.
I am a teacher, so I use those callouts a lot. New "Line 1", "line 2" callouts are useless: The line is actually several lines: if you set an arrow end, you will find several arrow ends in middle of eth lien, not just at line end. (i am filling a bug)
I don't understand what you are saying. What are trying to do that you can't?
My typing is not very good when I type too fast. I am sorry.
I have retry it and the problem appears only with the callout called "Line Callout 2" . This is a text box with a kinked line (a line with an angle) attached. If you select and arrowhead as line end, you will see that the line is not a polygonal line (one start and one end) but actually to lines held together. So you get an arrowhead pointing to the angle.
An issue has been filed about this. <http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=44428>
Not at all. In the Basic Shapes toolbox you have filled circles and ellipses, and circel pies. But not arcs.Archs:
Again, circle and ellipse archs are now hidden in their own toolbar. Why are those items not callable from teh main toolbar?
Both in the draw toolbar.
An arc is a line (not a filled area). They are very handy to make round circular arrows (trust me, a lot of processes in chemistry and biology do need circle arcs arrows)
Arcs are in the Circles and Ovals toolbar, which is not visible from start. You need to know it exists and make it visible. In 1.1.4 they were availabe as default, in the ellipse toolbox.
Fair enough, I didn't realize you just wanted the line.
And could be done with just one click in 1.1.4 and 2.0. In 1.1.4 one of the entries in the Drawing toolbar was the "3d objects". Now in 2.0 we have "Basic Shapes" and the other shapes, why put 3d objects in a separate toolbar?3d Objects: The same as Archs
Make a shape with the draw toolbar. *Right click > Convert > To 3D* Not sure where it was in 1.1.4, but it took me 4 clicks in 2.0.
Probably because they are less common and they were trying to clean up the UI. I was a big fan to the toolbar on the left. And what is nice, is that once 2.0 comes out and we stop going through all of the snapshots and stuff, we can customize all toolbars and even dock some on the side of screen.
Peter, have you tried to draw a "dimensioning line" in OOo 2.0 Impress? It's impossible: there is no toolbutton to do that. If you go to Draw and go to View>toolbars, you will find an "Arrows" toolbar, and there the tools that in 1.1.4 were readily available in both Draw and Impress.Arrows:
There is a toolbar for lines and arrows with diffrent ending, as well as dimension lines. But the amazing thing is that I have not seen a way to actually open that toolbar, even knowing it exists. It is not listed in the View>toolbars menu, nor can be adden to an existing toolbar.
The *line and filing* toolbar is open by default under the standard toolbar when Impress opens.
Now that toolbar cannot be accesed from Impress.
What is a dimensioning line?
So, the main questions would be:
Why the first item in the Tool toolbar (rectangle, ellipse and text) are not toolboxes ?
The first one is kind of quick button to just make a quick shape. Right down the line in the *Draw* toolbar (what you call the Tool tool bar) is the toolbox for all shapes, labeled basic shapes, it is a diamond by default.
But my point is that there is no point in having separate buttons for "the quick draw shape" and afterwards the "Basic Shapes toolbox". With the 1.1.4 behaviour you had both in the same space. The key point is that 1.1.4 could remember the last item selected in a toolbox. So you had the placeholder for "Rectangle shapes", you selected a Square and that become the icon showed in the toolbar. If you needed to add more squares just clicked in the icon (without opening
Agreed.
Why lines and arrows do not have an entry in the toolbar list?
See above.
IMO, OOo should have options where users can pick and choose more, so I think should be full of features (I do not consider this bloated.)Too many options will mean that no one could know how your (or mine) installation works. No, there must be a consensus to find tools efficient for all of us, if possible.
Please, consider this message only as a clarification. I do not want to start a flame war between "good'ld 1.1" and "young v 2.0" OOo.
I am glad we are clarifying, because it helps all of learn. -- Peter Kupfer OOo user since 'OO4 http://peschtra.tripod.com/open_office/ooo_front.htm
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