On 2005-04-29 22:22:14 -0700, Ken Foskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
Glad to see you turn up Simon.
Pleasure. If people want me to see a particular post I appreciate a cc as it's hard to follow every newsgroup in detail.
This whole argument is now just academic. Caolan has provide a GCJ port that will allow, as I understand it, all features to run. Therefore this is really a non-issue for beta 2.0.
I'm very pleased to hear that, although I am also keen to see a full Free VM solution show up eventually.
I do think we need to ensure that The SO programmers avoid proprietary Java extensions in their changes. I believe that all programmers are endeavouring to manage this. This will allow continued GCJ support. RE should put some focus on this in the QA checklist.
Totally agree. Worth observing that "proprietary" in this case is defined as "not compatible with the JSRs approved by the JCP" rather than "not yet implemented by a particular project".
I believe that the primary 'hot point' of this discussion came from an issue where there was a feature delivered from the community in C++ but a different feature was redeveloped in Java some months after.
Feel free to bring me up to date offline.
I am not 'anti Java' I am definitely pro-support on all possible platforms. This includes the rather difficult policies of Debian, many of these policies lead to a far better product and therefore make it my distribution of choice, it definitely is not a small distribution in terms of installed base. We must ensure that we continue to work on co-operation, transparency, and ensuring that the community work is handled expediently.
Keeping in mind of course that the various artisans in any open source community work on the code that interests them (where "interest" has various meanings) and that while it would be wrong to make design decisions that totally prevent Debian use, work to explicitly support Debian needs to be done by those with an interest. (This is no criticism of Debian BTW - my distro of choice is currently Ubuntu.)
My view is that it is never appropriate for an open source developer to try to tell someone else in their community to do work, especially that in which they have no stake. I am /very/ keen to ensure that all contributions are valued (tell me privately and directly if they are not) but that includes the ones from community members who are Sun employees too :-)
S.
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