On Saturday 07 May 2005 6:25 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip ......
> When revising such a paper, one may be obliged to remove a reference which
> means that the number of every reference after that one has to be moved a
> number up e.g. if reference 1 is removed then reference 2 would become
> reference 1. This would also mean that any mention in the text would also
> have to be changed i.e. ...but later admitted (1) that...
>
snip ......

Contrary  to my previous suggestion you do not need to use cross-referencing 
to achieve what you want. A problem with using cross referencing is that if 
you delete the first citation that is the source of the cross-references you 
end up with a series of invalid references.

When you mention a citation in the text, for example:

Smith [26] states .....
......     
As previously mentioned by smith [26] ......

If you just insert the citation (Bibliographic Entry) number 26 again in the 
text (rather than typing the characters "[26]" ) then the numbers will be 
automaticly adjusted when you add or delete references, or move text about. 
That is, all insertions of the same citation will have the same number based 
on order of appearance in the text and these will be automaticly maintained 
as you modify your text. 

When you update the Bibliographic Table the references will also re reordered.

This is what I understand you to want.

My only excuse for the confusion is that I have not used numbered citations 
myself.

David



On Tuesday 10 May 2005 10:49 am, David Wilson wrote:
> James,
>
> There a a bibliographic list just for such questions at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I am pleased to be able to tell you that you can achieve what you are
> trying to do with Bookmarks, Cross-references and with some manual effort.
> You do not have to update to version 2 or a future update to do this.
>
> Instructions
> ===========
> When you have a reference you want to refer to, say number 26 which is a
> reference such as  (werner:2004).
>
> Select the citation number '26' characters and declare it a Bookmark (using
> Insert->Bookmark) and give it a name (ie 'werner:2004').
>
> Then when you want to refer to that work via its citation number ie "As
> clearly described by Werner in [26] .....
>
> Select Insert->Cross-reference-->'Reference tab'-->Bookmarks
>
> Select the werner:2004 bookmark and the 'Reference' Format. This will
> insert the citation number.
>
> When the citation numbers changes (as when you add or delete citations) the
> bookmark number in the text and the cross-references will be updated as
> well. ==============
>
> You can find some macros that can extend OOo cross referencing abilities at
> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hillview/OOo/
> and
> http://ooomacros.org/
>
> For some instructions on how to use cross-references see an article by
> Bruce Byfield at http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8112
>
> A note for people who have not worked this out - The setting for selecting
> numbered citation entries is in the bibliographic table insertion panel,
> not the citation entry panel.
>
> We agree with you this would be a lot easier if the bibliographic entries
> where directly available from the Cross-reference facility.
>
> Perhaps someone could write a macro to convert the bibliographic entries
> into Cross-reference entries ?
>
> regards
>
> David
>
> On Saturday 07 May 2005 6:25 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm an MSc student of the sciences from a South African university and
> > have been closely following OpenOffice 2.0. in anticipation of its
> > release. I have found that Writer is a program far superior to anything
> > Word can offer.
> > I would just like to ask a question: in writing up the references for any
> > sort of scientific paper one would need to insert the entries from a
> > bibliographic database (probably Biblio that comes with writer). Some
> > journals that one can submit papers to require that the references be
> > numbered and referred to in the text as such e.g. ...so and so (1) claim
> > that... but later admitted (2) that...
> > 1. So and so. 2001. Arbitrary title. Journal 1: 1-10.
> > 2. So and so. 2003. Another title. Another Journal 2: 31-33.
> >
> > When revising such a paper, one may be obliged to remove a reference
> > which means that the number of every reference after that one has to be
> > moved a number up e.g. if reference 1 is removed then reference 2 would
> > become reference 1. This would also mean that any mention in the text
> > would also have to be changed i.e. ...but later admitted (1) that...
> >
> > My question is this. Is it not possible to introduce some form of
> > programming into Writer that would immediately note when a reference
> > number, as in the example above, changes, and make all the necessary
> > changes in the text.
> >
> > I look forward to possibly seeing this development in OOo 2.0.
> >
> > Keep up the great work.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > James Mehl
> >
> > *************************************************************************
> >** ************************* James Mehl
> > Department of Microbiology and Plant Pathology
> > Tree Protection Cooperative Programme (TPCP)
> > Forestry and Agricultural Biotechnology Institute (FABI)
> > University of Pretoria (UP)
> > Tel (012) 420 5816 (office)
> >
> > "Life Rewards Action"


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