Mathias Bauer on 01.06.2005 15:58 wrote:
Peter Reaper wrote:
>>3. It is too cumbersome to add toolbar buttons that are not in the
>>standard set. The user should be able to just select a category on the
>>left (which BTW should mirror the MENU items) and then on the right have
>>a list of ALL functions in that category which he can drag to the
toolbar.
>
> Ummm... This is how it is done? There is a list of categories which
> contain the icons and you "drag" them over to the menubar set on the
> right. How are you trying to do this?
There are too many features "hidden" under the "Add" button. All
features should be reachable without digging. See the bug(s) i filed in
a previous post of this thread.
I agree partially. In OOo1.1 we had everything inside the dialog page,
no additional dialog was necessary. It looked a bit squeezed, but
overall I also liked the old method more than the new one.
In general I nevertheless think that the new dialog is OK, because it
does the job. Customizing toolbars is nothing a lot of users do and if
they do it they don't do it each and every day. The "Add" button is
quite understandable and once the second dialog is open everything is
quite straightforward.
I still think the "Add" button creates an unneeded layer. Why should the
toolbar buttons be split up into two windows: one that shows me the
buttons I already see on my toolbar, and another (hidden behind "Add")
with the buttons the user is likely to want in the first place?
Also ability to right-click on toolbars.
What should happen in that case?
Context menu to (de)select an additional toolbar, and to customize the
current toolbar.
The configuration stuff was moved to
the new arrow button by intent because user studies showed that right
clicks are less intuitive than explicit buttons.
OK, but why *take away* the ability to also do it via context menu?
>>4. Need shortcut: CTRL+SHIFT+V = paste without formatting.
>
> This can be done in the new version for 2.0.
No, Ctrl+Shift+v still brings up that superfluous "Paste Special" dialog
in 1.9.104.
Interesting, the first thing I did in my personal installation was
replacing this assignment by a macro that pastes without formatting.
Here we seem to have the same liking. :-)
Besides that I'm not sure if my personal liking (or should I say: ours)
is really representative.
It's amazing how people start to like / depend on this, once they start
using it. The mozilla people initially were resistant or just didn't
understand. Now many are thankful for the feature.
At least my gut feeling is that keyboard
shortcuts better match to functions that don't open dialogs
That's a *very good point*.
and that
"Paste unformatted is used more often than "Paste Special". Moreover,
the latter is easily accessible from the GUI already, the first one only
through some additional input.
another good point.
Because you said that you already created too much RFEs for now, I will
volunteer for this one. :-)
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=50185
Yeah, but *that* on I already filed yesterday. See my post in this
thread from 31.05.2005 17:38:
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You might want to dupe your bug against mine:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=50140
BTW: the blanks in front of your quote signs (that prevent my TB from
recognizing them as quotes) are another known FF problem that e.g.
happens when you save your mail as a draft and continue editing later.
True, but I still prefer to not see broken line-wraps on nearly *every*
post than the rare broken quotes due to saving as draft.
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